Comments on: HTC Updates Their Response To The Video Driver Issue 1/25/08 http://www.mobilitysite.com/2008/01/htc-updates-their-response-to-the-video-driver-issue-12508/ Mobile News, Reviews, and Views. Fri, 27 Nov 2009 05:46:28 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: TheEngineer http://www.mobilitysite.com/2008/01/htc-updates-their-response-to-the-video-driver-issue-12508/comment-page-1/#comment-10950 TheEngineer Thu, 21 Feb 2008 13:21:19 +0000 http://mobilitysite.com/2008/01/htc-updates-their-response-to-the-video-driver-issue-12508/#comment-10950 Abandon Qualcomm phones. Check out the newest Nvidia phones! youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kLFPfaxQ6U&feature=related Fast 2d, 3d, video! Abandon Qualcomm phones.
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]]> By: Doug http://www.mobilitysite.com/2008/01/htc-updates-their-response-to-the-video-driver-issue-12508/comment-page-1/#comment-10949 Doug Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:12:29 +0000 http://mobilitysite.com/2008/01/htc-updates-their-response-to-the-video-driver-issue-12508/#comment-10949 DJ: Please visit and re-read http://www.htcclassaction.org/ Quoting Chainfire: "The drivers (small pieces of software that govern your device's hardware) in question are responsible for all drawing operations. This means absolutely everything having anything to do with putting something on your screen is affected. This includes normal programs, video playback, games, taking pictures, etcetera. If it's on your screen, it's affected. This makes the devices feel really slow and unresponsive." Video Playback is clearly outlined amoung other issues. DJ: Please visit and re-read http://www.htcclassaction.org/

Quoting Chainfire:

“The drivers (small pieces of software that govern your device’s hardware) in question are responsible for all drawing operations. This means absolutely everything having anything to do with putting something on your screen is affected. This includes normal programs, video playback, games, taking pictures, etcetera. If it’s on your screen, it’s affected. This makes the devices feel really slow and unresponsive.”

Video Playback is clearly outlined amoung other issues.

]]> By: dj http://www.mobilitysite.com/2008/01/htc-updates-their-response-to-the-video-driver-issue-12508/comment-page-1/#comment-10948 dj Wed, 20 Feb 2008 05:29:52 +0000 http://mobilitysite.com/2008/01/htc-updates-their-response-to-the-video-driver-issue-12508/#comment-10948 You guys are fu**ing stupid. Do you know what video acceleration is? The issue has nothing to do with video playback. Video acceleration has to do with how fast things are drawn to the screen. Have you ever noticed on your tilt when you pull out the keyboard that the screen doesnt update instantly. Yeah, thought so! Before posting stuff you dont know about, read up at this website: http://www.htcclassaction.org/ You guys are fu**ing stupid. Do you know what video acceleration is? The issue has nothing to do with video playback. Video acceleration has to do with how fast things are drawn to the screen. Have you ever noticed on your tilt when you pull out the keyboard that the screen doesnt update instantly. Yeah, thought so! Before posting stuff you dont know about, read up at this website: http://www.htcclassaction.org/

]]> By: John http://www.mobilitysite.com/2008/01/htc-updates-their-response-to-the-video-driver-issue-12508/comment-page-1/#comment-10944 John Fri, 01 Feb 2008 06:35:26 +0000 http://mobilitysite.com/2008/01/htc-updates-their-response-to-the-video-driver-issue-12508/#comment-10944 I agree. I have a tilt, I use orb. Video works great! It appears someone is getting into the nitty gritty of the hardware specs for some reason I agree. I have a tilt, I use orb. Video works great! It appears someone is getting into the nitty gritty of the hardware specs for some reason

]]> By: Mikeer http://www.mobilitysite.com/2008/01/htc-updates-their-response-to-the-video-driver-issue-12508/comment-page-1/#comment-10947 Mikeer Fri, 01 Feb 2008 04:31:43 +0000 http://mobilitysite.com/2008/01/htc-updates-their-response-to-the-video-driver-issue-12508/#comment-10947 Rob, Most modern PDAs use dedicated GPUs (Graphic Processing Units) - microchips that have only purpose of rendering everything graphical, be it UI, video playback or games. The reason behind that is that because they are purpose-built, they are better at graphical tasks than the CPU (Central Processing Unit), they have better performance AND less power consumption AND produce less heat AT THE SAME TIME. When no GPU is used, all those tasks fall on the CPU, eating away at its resources. When HTC failed to provide the necessary drivers to use the integrated GPU chip, they made the device use up battery power faster, produce more heat and lag a lot. Had those drivers been included, the TyTN II would work longer when using the battery, not burn your pocket, and work flawlessly when it came to UI, video and gaming. Compared to your 8525 (HTC TyTN or Hermes), which does have a 400 mHz Samsung CPU but also uses the ATI Imageon GPU, TyTN II (Kaiser, Tilt) does not use the GPU resulting in all the aforementioned problems. If you do not notive the problems, try doing the following things on your Tilt: -Open the keyboard and notice how long it takes to go to landscape -Fire up TomTom and see how laggy and jerky it is Play a video (doesnt matter whether it's TCPMP, CorePlayer or WMP, the latter has the worst performance actually), and notice how it's sometimes out of sync and how many frames are falling out, even in converted 512 Kbit/s videos. -Try playing a game -Try playing a 3D game using OpenGL ES which was advertised as available and notice that it either does not start, or does not use OpenGL Mike P.S. Your post DID sound like you're an HTC employee trying to destroy the credibility of the article. If you are, could you share some insider info please? Rob,

Most modern PDAs use dedicated GPUs (Graphic Processing Units) – microchips that have only purpose of rendering everything graphical, be it UI, video playback or games. The reason behind that is that because they are purpose-built, they are better at graphical tasks than the CPU (Central Processing Unit), they have better performance AND less power consumption AND produce less heat AT THE SAME TIME. When no GPU is used, all those tasks fall on the CPU, eating away at its resources.

When HTC failed to provide the necessary drivers to use the integrated GPU chip, they made the device use up battery power faster, produce more heat and lag a lot. Had those drivers been included, the TyTN II would work longer when using the battery, not burn your pocket, and work flawlessly when it came to UI, video and gaming.

Compared to your 8525 (HTC TyTN or Hermes), which does have a 400 mHz Samsung CPU but also uses the ATI Imageon GPU, TyTN II (Kaiser, Tilt) does not use the GPU resulting in all the aforementioned problems.

If you do not notive the problems, try doing the following things on your Tilt:
-Open the keyboard and notice how long it takes to go to landscape
-Fire up TomTom and see how laggy and jerky it is
Play a video (doesnt matter whether it’s TCPMP, CorePlayer or WMP, the latter has the worst performance actually), and notice how it’s sometimes out of sync and how many frames are falling out, even in converted 512 Kbit/s videos.
-Try playing a game
-Try playing a 3D game using OpenGL ES which was advertised as available and notice that it either does not start, or does not use OpenGL

Mike

P.S. Your post DID sound like you’re an HTC employee trying to destroy the credibility of the article. If you are, could you share some insider info please?

]]> By: Rob http://www.mobilitysite.com/2008/01/htc-updates-their-response-to-the-video-driver-issue-12508/comment-page-1/#comment-10943 Rob Thu, 31 Jan 2008 09:55:53 +0000 http://mobilitysite.com/2008/01/htc-updates-their-response-to-the-video-driver-issue-12508/#comment-10943 What's all this fuss about the Tilt being slow? Can someone explain? I upgrade my 8525 to the Tilt and they both seem to be about the same speed. Video works fine on both devices for me. They are both 400 mHz right? What’s all this fuss about the Tilt being slow? Can someone explain? I upgrade my 8525 to the Tilt and they both seem to be about the same speed. Video works fine on both devices for me. They are both 400 mHz right?

]]> By: Clovis http://www.mobilitysite.com/2008/01/htc-updates-their-response-to-the-video-driver-issue-12508/comment-page-1/#comment-10946 Clovis Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:33:31 +0000 http://mobilitysite.com/2008/01/htc-updates-their-response-to-the-video-driver-issue-12508/#comment-10946 Agreed, and on top of it all, they are losing customers. I got the AT&T Tilt because of its Outlook functionality - everyone else I talk to wants the IPhone, because it is "cool" and because they can use it as a video/audio player. The normal "customer on the street" does not understand most of the technicalities. Several friends of mine were very impressed with the Tilt when I showed it to them, until they compared it with the IPhone's multimedia experience. One friend with the 8525 understandably derided the Tilt for "not having even 8525 performance". Having the capabilities but not using them "does not compute" for most potential users. It is the same as not having the capability. Needless to say, most of my friends have now gone to the IPhone. Agreed, and on top of it all, they are losing customers. I got the AT&T Tilt because of its Outlook functionality – everyone else I talk to wants the IPhone, because it is “cool” and because they can use it as a video/audio player. The normal “customer on the street” does not understand most of the technicalities. Several friends of mine were very impressed with the Tilt when I showed it to them, until they compared it with the IPhone’s multimedia experience. One friend with the 8525 understandably derided the Tilt for “not having even 8525 performance”. Having the capabilities but not using them “does not compute” for most potential users. It is the same as not having the capability.

Needless to say, most of my friends have now gone to the IPhone.

]]> By: D http://www.mobilitysite.com/2008/01/htc-updates-their-response-to-the-video-driver-issue-12508/comment-page-1/#comment-10945 D Wed, 30 Jan 2008 16:41:28 +0000 http://mobilitysite.com/2008/01/htc-updates-their-response-to-the-video-driver-issue-12508/#comment-10945 HTC is really beginning to piss me off. While I agree that no phone uses every single feature that its hardware allows, video playback is a critical reason - probably one of the top five reasons - why people buy smartphones. So ensuring the best possible video playback should have been a priority. I don't know who beta-tested for them, but I wonder if HTC knew about the problem and just decided to ignore it. That said, I have a partial solution for HTC. If and when a driver is developed, they should pay the bounty...in fact, they should double it. People are essentially working for HTC to develop a fix and HTC should be grateful enough to compensate them. HTC is really beginning to piss me off. While I agree that no phone uses every single feature that its hardware allows, video playback is a critical reason – probably one of the top five reasons – why people buy smartphones. So ensuring the best possible video playback should have been a priority. I don’t know who beta-tested for them, but I wonder if HTC knew about the problem and just decided to ignore it.

That said, I have a partial solution for HTC. If and when a driver is developed, they should pay the bounty…in fact, they should double it. People are essentially working for HTC to develop a fix and HTC should be grateful enough to compensate them.

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