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Home » MID, NetBook, UMPC

The Convergence Begins?

Posted by Zealot on July 6, 2008 – 1:05 am
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_8501-mid_vari Mini-Notebook, UMPC, Netbook, MID…we all knew that eventually the market would dictate which of these forms would succeed and which would fail. Rumbles in the industry are indicating that may be happening sooner rather then later.

Over the weekend, DigiTimes reported that PC vendors and resellers are feeling decidedly queasy about Intel’s heavy push behind it’s line of MID platforms, and quietly expressing that fact to Intel. The more optimistic amongst them feel that at the very least, MIDs won’t hit the big time until Q4 09, rather than Q1 09 as Intel is predicting. They feel (and I believe accurately) that the wave of new UMPC/Netbook models and the quiet recession in the worldwide economy will hamper the MID (Mobile Internet Device) form. Most pundits define MIDs as slate style, touch screen mobile PCs, with or without a sliding keyboard.

Vendors see the MID form being squeezed between miniature laptops forms (UMPC/Netbook) on one side and smartphones on the other. It certainly doesn’t help that recent releases in the MID space by Gigabyte and Lenovo are not cutting much ice in the marketplace while major UMPC releases keep coming through the summer/fall from MSi, Asus, Acer and Dell (among others). When back to school shoppers are outfitting high school/college students, small, cheap device in a conventional laptop form looks like a tool while the sexier MIDs look like flashy toys.

It is essential that Intel get their vast reseller/vendor channels behind MIDs if they hope the form to succeed against the intense competition in the mobile computer space. Vendors however are reluctant to waste holiday shelf space on products that won’t sell, especially in challenging economic times.

Personally I love the MID form, with it’s ability to be used as both a tablet and a more standard computer. However, I would not be at all surprised if MIDs aren’t able to catch the same fire that UMPCs are bottling as they are being embraced by mainstream tech buyers. MIDs also seem to have trouble getting down to the low prices that are helping to drive UMPCs.

What do you think? Do you see MIDs fading away altogether or into a niche market as stores are innundated with miniature laptops or will they rally once people get tired of “toy” laptops?

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  • it is a fine destinction between the smartphone, mid and umpc, especially as capabilities advance over time. as new display technologies (like maliable/roll-up screens) become possible the lines will blur further. exciting times!
  • Zealot
    And that at least we can certainly agree on.

    Z
  • ctitanic
    The future is all about being connected. And on that future all these devices will have a market share. All depend on what are your needs as individual.
  • Zealot
    Excellent, thank you. That does make Intel's definitions of MID and UMPC clearer (as for clarifying my confusion, that i quite a task indeed).

    I can't help but feel however that whatever acronyms Intel creates, to the market they will all be "little computers" and if they find a use for them they will succeed, product by product. If the market decides that they need to be able to do more with them like on their Eee or their laptop, or they get the same always on net features from their iPhone, they will fail, regardless of terminology.

    The article from Digitimes feels that devices that fit Intel's definition of MID as well as some that don't, may well get squeezed out between small laptops and smartphones...and that still sounds logical to me.

    Z
  • ctitanic
    Ok, Here is a comparison taken from an Intel explanation.

    I hope this clarifies your confusion.
  • Zealot
    Smiles...Exactly, we call them Smartphones.

    Again, convergence.
  • ctitanic
    Well, That's why I'm more for UMPC than MID. But I have to admit that we have been using MID like devices since 2000 and they are not dead yet.
  • Zealot
    I see, that is a very good point about the WiMax element...of course, not many WiMax networks out there. Another strike against the device.
  • ctitanic
    sorry... does not call them.
  • ctitanic
    But Intel door rot call the Nokia MID. ;)
  • ctitanic
    MID is a all time connected device. So far you can get that via phone service or WiMax. WiFi coverage is not enough to call a device "all time connected". This is why I said that the Nokia N700 and N800 are the only MID currently being sold.
  • Zealot
    Good point...but saying we don;t have any MIDs available so we will show you a totally different kind of device, a UMPC is a bit like saying We have no cars at the moment, but this is a bicycle. Same concept.

    I am still not convinced there is a hard and fast line yet....anywhere in UMPC/MID/Netbook technology.
  • Zealot
    You lost me...I don't know the product well, what connectivity element is the Ideapad missing? Lenovo seems to think it is an Intel based MID, that is what they call it.

    Z
  • ctitanic
    Yes, the Lenovo is a MID but where you can buy it?
  • ctitanic
    Well, there is a big difference in there. Connectivity. This is why Intel does not have yet any MID in the market. So far the closest thing you can find in the market to a MID are the Nokia 700.
  • Zealot
    Correction, Ideapad.
  • Zealot
    Lenovo Thinkpad U8 is a MID according to this defintion, using an Intel platform...but it doesn't appear there

    Titles are great, products talk....and the products are confusing.
  • Zealot
    Current ones, yes especially as they are all smartphones.

    I am thinking of PDAs 2-3 years ago, think the iPaq 4700 or the Axim X50. These were devices meant for the mobile internet experience.

    Again, whatever the technical definition I am drawn to the concept of the device, but I have doubts as to their market, as do the vendors mentioned in the Digitimes article above.

    Z
  • ctitanic
    Read the tittle or that page. UMPC.
    They just don't have yet any MID in the market that's why they are not listing any.
  • ctitanic
    Zealot, a current PDA is probably more advanced than a MID.
  • Zealot
    On that very page you linked to, click Products in Action in the right hand sideboard labeled Mobile Internet Devices. It takes you to a page of all UMPCs.

    The terms, despite well thought out definitions, are nothing if not malleable.

    Z
  • ctitanic
    There are not major differences when you compare UMPC and Netbook. As far as I concern they are all UMPC. But there is a huge difference between MID and UMPC.
  • Zealot
    I certainly see your point...but it just reinforces my feeling that this is a product without a market.

    a few years ago there was a drive to have PDAs viewed as devices that would fit the MID defintion from Intel. They crashed and burned mainly because people didn;t want them and the technology wasn;t ready for them.

    The tech is more capable now, but I am not convinced the consumer market for them is any more viable.

    Z
  • ctitanic
    Zealot, where is that site that you are talking about?
    Intel recently has created this site and as your can see the message is clear there.

    Here is Intel's site for MID. I do not see any UMPC listed there.
  • ctitanic
    Yes, that's what it is.

    Check this
  • Zealot
    Here's where the terminology gets weird.

    I know that according to Hoyles you are right about the technical definition of MID, and Intel is trying really hard to get MID to be accepted as a very narrow classification of a device just as you stated...mostly.

    On the Intel site, when you go to their MID page, and click on Products in Action, it takes you to a page trumpeting the Samsung Q1 and Asus RH2.

    In practical terms, most people are viewing MIDs as slate style UMPCs. While Intel, due to it's growing tension with Microsoft is now saying true MIDs run Linux, even they are not really sure what they mean when they say MID it seems.

    Again...convergence.

    Z
  • gylman
    So, I guess you would classify the U60 as a UMPC?
  • ctitanic
    MID means Mobile Internet Device, they are close platform devices running mostly a cut version of Linux. The Samsung Q1 is not a MID. The OQO is not a MID. Manufacturers are not putting Vista in MID.

    MID can't replace a laptop for the solo fact that it can't run all kind of applications like you do in any Laptop.

    The major goal of MID is to have the longest time possible a device connected to Internet. For that you need good battery life and Intel is getting that by designing processors with low performance. The goal on Laptops is to have a full replacement for your desktop pc and still mobile. For that yo need both battery Life and performance. But battery life plays a secondary role.

    These are the differences between MID and the rest of the gang.
  • gylman
    I have a Gigabyte U60 MID. 7" screen, slideout keyboard, winXP. It has supplanted my laptop. Far more portable, better for late night in bed sessions.


    I guess that's because I never use my laptop as a serious productivity device - that's reserved for my desktop.

    So, for people like me who use a desktop and a laptop, replacing the laptop with a MID type device works well. I don't think I'll be buying another laptop.

    Except for reading books or video in bed, the MID does not compete with my PDA because obviously it;s not pocketable.

    I love the MID form factor... if only manufacturers would stop putting Vista on them,. XP does an excellent job.
  • Zealot
    I agree price is a major key to the fate of MIDs. Most of them, such as the Samsung Q1 and the OQO continue to hover around the $1000 point.

    Mini-laptop UMPCs continue to mine the $300 to $600 range, between phones and mid level laptops. As it is I think 600 is pushing the upper limits for mobile devices, but it still leaves very little room for the MIDs.

    Z
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