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LHC Fires Hadrons – Morning Continues

Posted by Zealot on September 10, 2008 – 3:02 am  Share
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 Altitude (GPS) : N/A Well, it is now pretty much official. The Large Hadron Collider at CERN was switched on about three hours ago (8:30 AM UK time) and contrary to some initial reports (mainly on Fox News), the world did NOT end.

Let me repeat that..The world HAS NOT actually ended. However, we are getting some indications that feelings of intellectual pointlessness, dramatic ennui and general emotive disassociation have slightly increased in parts of rural Switzerland. Hopefully we will get some film of that soon.

Of course, the enormous research collider which was feared (or hoped) by some to create a giant black hole at the center of our planet causing all existence as we know it to wink out hasn’t actually created any collisions yet (that will take place in a month), but hadron particles are now in motion around the 17 mile device…so that’s a good sign then isn’t it.

Of course, according to quantum physics, time distorts as you come into a black hole where your perception may be of everything being perfectly normal even though an outside observer (like Fox News, for instance) may be watching you torn atom by atom and compacted down into nothingness in real time. So the world MAY actually have ended a couple hours ago, and we just don’t know it yet.

I love science.

BTW – The LHC, being 17 miles long and worth about 5 billion pounds, is not technically a mobile gadget, but I thought you’d like to know anyway.

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  • Pony99CA
    Interesting. How do we know that? Has anyone ever fallen into a black hole yet?

    If they have, they haven't returned to tell us. :-P I also don't need to see a 16-ton boulder fall on somebody to know what the effects would be.

    Seriously, time dilation from both special and general relativistic effects has been proven experimentally. Read the Wikipedia Time Dilation article to see how.

    In the case of black holes, as the gravitational well gets deeper, time appears to run slower to an observer outside the well. As gravity approaches infinity, time appears to stand still to those outside the well.

    What we don't know is what the inside of a singularity looks like or what physical rules, if any, apply there.

    Too bad we don't have a base on Pluto where we could build the collider -- just in case. After Pluto lost its status as a planet, losing it wouldn't be a huge deal. :-D

    Steve
  • CodeBubba
    >> Melinda was correct. The person in the black hole’s reference frame perceives time normally. An observer on the outside sees the time dilation effects. <<

    Interesting. How do we know that? Has anyone ever fallen into a black hole yet?

    -CB ;-)
  • Zealot
    Quantum, Shmantum, just as long as we weren't eaten by a black hole this morning, or a singularity, or a Grue or whatever.

    However, as Steve quite correctly (and rather gloomily) pointed out, the REAL crisis point will be in a month when they have multiple beams colliding. So, enjoy the month, but don't start buying your Christmas prsents just yet...
  • Bill
    Chris, you sarcasam is histerical. I was lol in my office with the windows open. I have nothing else intelligent to say right now...
  • Pony99CA
    Well, it is now pretty much official. The Large Hadron Collider at CERN was switched on about three hours ago (8:30 AM UK time) and contrary to some initial reports (mainly on Fox News), the world did NOT end.

    [...]

    Of course, the enormous research collider which was feared (or hoped) by some to create a giant black hole at the center of our planet causing all existence as we know it to wink out hasn’t actually created any collisions yet (that will take place in a month), but hadron particles are now in motion around the 17 mile device…so that’s a good sign then isn’t it.

    It's not really a good or bad sign. I believe the simulation of the Big Bang is going to require collisions. With only one beam going, that won't happen, so of course no black hole was formed. (Although, technically, I suspect people are talking about a gravitational singuarlity swallowing the Earth. I think a black hole requires massive gravitational collapse, and protons don't have that kind of gravity, but maybe a singularity could be produced.)

    Of course, according to quantum physics, time distorts as you come into a black hole where your perception may be of everything being perfectly normal even though an outside observer (like Fox News, for instance) may be watching you torn atom by atom and compacted down into nothingness in real time. So the world MAY actually have ended a couple hours ago, and we just don’t know it yet.

    Melinda was correct. The person in the black hole's reference frame perceives time normally. An observer on the outside sees the time dilation effects.

    And I'm not sure this requires quantum physics at all. I think General Relativity accounts for gravitational time dilation (and "predicted" black holes, too).

    Steve
  • phreaker18
    hey Zealot...

    that was really funny ... especially about Fox News seeing us mere mortals being torn up atom by atom ...

    interesting reading dude...

    and kudos to the people at CERN !!
  • JakeRich
    It wasn't just Fox news. ABC had a headline today "We're still here, atom smasher starts up." They had run a series of high-adrenaline articles in the days leading up to yesterday.

    Sadly, nobody in the press understands the physics, so they grab the headline, never mind the science. On the other hand, not many readers understand the physics, either, so why bother with facts?
  • breley
    But I just saw a strangelet go by...nevermind, it was one of our graphic designers.
  • webbahboy
    I suppose that news related to the end of the world fits on just about ANY web site! Thanks for the update, Zealot; it really is fascinating stuff.
  • I think it's the other way around. If you fell into a black hole, you'd experience a very quick death whereas to everyone outside, you'd appear to slow down to the point that you'd appear frozen.

    Kudos to all the hard working CERN folks who have created the world's most complex machine and still manage to keep to a precise schedule. That may impresses more than the discoveries it might make. I can't wait.
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