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Two Screens – No Waiting

Posted by Zealot on October 18, 2008 – 5:54 pm  Share
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3079_r Digitimes is reporting that sources close to Asus say that the notebook producer may be rolling out double screen notebook PCs as early as Q1 of 2009. A prototype of the two paneled device (pictured) was displayed at Computex this year with production models expected to feature panels of less then 12 inches.

Two panel notebooks are intended to take advantage of the enhanced touch screen and multitouch support planned for Windows 7. However,  the proper beta version of the new Windows OS is not due (according to the last word I heard) until December 08, with a release expected sometime mid to late 2009. In that case, this could very easily be a notebook released a year before it’s OS. It is hard to imagine people paying the likely steep price for such a device while it is running Vista, which is not only unpopular with consumers but also would not be able to fully support the hardware. I doubt a coupon for a free install of Windows 7 “when it comes out” will be viewed as a big sales advantage.

However, the always interesting Mike Elgan featured the two screen design (originally kicked around the tech blogs as the proposed OLPC Mark II) as what he viewed as the future of notebooks in his Computerworld blog last June. He defined the usage models for such a device as follows:

1. Tablet mode. Snap the laptop open and flat, and the two screens work together as one giant touch screen.

2. Laptop mode. Open the virtual keyboard, which appears full-size on the bottom touch screen, and use like a regular clamshell laptop.

3. Book mode. Open an e-Book and hold it sideways like an open book. One page appears on the left screen and the next page appears on the right. Touch the corner to turn the page.

4. Two-person mode. Open it flat again like Tablet mode, but click a button to make one screen orient itself for one user and the other toward you.

Personally I am excited about this form, in that I could easily see the lower panel being able to switch depending upon what sort of Human Interface Device is called for. Virtual keyboard, autocad drawing panel, giant trackpad, specialized gaming controls, what have you…just the concept opens up a world of possibilities. As for this Asus device being released well ahead of Windows 7, that sounds like the kiss of death to me, and may even go so far as to poison the well for future products of a similar design.

I hope that Asus exercises caution in releasing what could be their proof that the Eee was not a fluke if they played their cards right…or a disastrous failure if bungled.

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  • Zealot
    As to size, the source on the story stated that the company producing the panels was sizing them at more then 10 inches but less then 12, and Asus hadn't decided on the final size yet...which doesn't sound to me like a product that they really expect to have out in less then 2 quarters.

    Be that as it may, 11 inches or so would definetly be a 'category-bender". Conventional wisdom states that Netbooks stop at 10 inches and Notebooks start at 12....so what would 11 be? Windows might be willing to make an expection on the XP issue....but that would still likely be at the expense of Win 7. With Netbooks, every install of XP is one less Linux machine out there, but this would be cannibilizing their own future OS. Tough to see them doing that.

    Regarding Linux, I am sure that you could get a Linux Distro working if the graphics cards are powerful enough. However, not too many high end mobile GPUs out there, and most are very finicky as far as Linux drivers...not to mention intensely expensive. Therefore I agree that a Linux/GPU scenario is doable, but I feel it would be more trouble/expense then it was worth. Why not just hold the notebook for 6 months and release it with a bang as an early Win 7 device? Of course, I become less and less impressed with the high level decision making at Asus, and this kind of rush job sounds like something they would do.
  • Pony99CA
    I believe that the continued sale of XP is for netbooks/nettop PCs only, I doubt MS would allow it to be installed on a cutting edge new notebook in place of Vista or Win 7….but that would be between MS and Asus.

    My understanding of the XP licensing is the same as yours, which is why I said "certain limited PCs". Are we sure this design wouldn't qualify, though? There weren't a lot of details given in the story.

    As for going with a custom Linux distro or such like, it is possible, but that would likely not be readily embraced by the consumer market. It could prove a short term solution, but from a sales point of view, the voucher for a future Win 7 install may actually be preferable.

    I suppose it depends if this is a netbook or meant as a fully-featured PC. If it's a high-end laptop, maybe Linux wouldn't work, but I still think you could access the second screen with custom software and a good graphics controller without needing Windows 7.

    As for the two screen solution being popularized by the DS, that is possible but there have been a lot of complaints that most DS software didn’t do a great job at implementing the hardware. Plus, a notebook in that form factor is a compltely different animal and the possible uses are much much broader then in the tiny screened DS. It could be seen as a good Proof of concent however.

    Whether the DS software does a good job with two screens or not isn't really the issue. People have seen the form factor, so a bad implementation might not be as disastrous as you think (just like one bad Windows Mobile device shouldn't tarnish the whole Windows Mobile OS).

    A PC would certainly have more uses than a DS (although I can see the Asus being great for Battleship :D), but that's why you'd need the custom software I mentioned. It would allow you to specify how the screens worked -- as duplicates (for shared viewing), a larger display (for tablet or eBook uses), as a single screen with custom input controls (a standard but flexible laptop configuration) or as two separate screens (for two-person gaming, research, or other uses).

    Steve
  • Zealot
    I believe that the continued sale of XP is for netbooks/nettop PCs only, I doubt MS would allow it to be installed on a cutting edge new notebook in place of Vista or Win 7....but that would be between MS and Asus.

    As for going with a custom Linux distro or such like, it is possible, but that would likely not be readily embraced by the consumer market. It could prove a short term solution, but from a sales point of view, the voucher for a future Win 7 install may actually be preferable.

    As for the two screen solution being popularized by the DS, that is possible but there have been a lot of complaints that most DS software didn't do a great job at implementing the hardware. Plus, a notebook in that form factor is a compltely different animal and the possible uses are much much broader then in the tiny screened DS. It could be seen as a good Proof of concent however.

    Z
  • Pony99CA
    Why would you need Windows 7? I'd think custom software and a second graphics controller (or one that supported two screens) would be sufficient.

    Also, are you sure they'd need Vista? Can't certain limited PCs still include XP? Or what about Linux, like they use in the eee?

    The Nintendo DS is very popular, so the form factor is already kind of established (at least in the gaming world).

    Steve
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