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		<title>By: TOCA</title>
		<link>http://www.mobilitysite.com/2008/10/windows-mobile-devices-with-no-hardware-buttons/comment-page-1/#comment-9202</link>
		<dc:creator>TOCA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 11:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right, what I&#039;m looking for is more options for scrolling, since a full page is a bit too much, and one line per click is too slow.

On my PC, I can set the scrolling to do 1, 3 or 6 lines per click, or a full page, why are those two medium size scrolls not available on a WM device?

Oh, and why don&#039;t they all have the jog dial on the side?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right, what I&#8217;m looking for is more options for scrolling, since a full page is a bit too much, and one line per click is too slow.</p>
<p>On my PC, I can set the scrolling to do 1, 3 or 6 lines per click, or a full page, why are those two medium size scrolls not available on a WM device?</p>
<p>Oh, and why don&#8217;t they all have the jog dial on the side?</p>
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		<title>By: Pony99CA</title>
		<link>http://www.mobilitysite.com/2008/10/windows-mobile-devices-with-no-hardware-buttons/comment-page-1/#comment-9198</link>
		<dc:creator>Pony99CA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 21:43:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scroll wheels tend to repeat the same functionality as the buttons, though.  On my Motorola Q and Q9m, each notch of the scroll wheel is like pressing the up or down button.  Pressing in the scroll wheel is like pressing the OK button.

It sounds like you&#039;re asking for more than just the hardware -- you want a settings applet to configure its behavior (or, more difficult, different behaviors depending on your context).

I&#039;m not saying it&#039;s a bad idea, but you may want to clarify exactly what you hope for.

Steve</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scroll wheels tend to repeat the same functionality as the buttons, though.  On my Motorola Q and Q9m, each notch of the scroll wheel is like pressing the up or down button.  Pressing in the scroll wheel is like pressing the OK button.</p>
<p>It sounds like you&#8217;re asking for more than just the hardware &#8212; you want a settings applet to configure its behavior (or, more difficult, different behaviors depending on your context).</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying it&#8217;s a bad idea, but you may want to clarify exactly what you hope for.</p>
<p>Steve</p>
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		<title>By: TOCA</title>
		<link>http://www.mobilitysite.com/2008/10/windows-mobile-devices-with-no-hardware-buttons/comment-page-1/#comment-9195</link>
		<dc:creator>TOCA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 11:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is one button that I have been missing since my first PPC, and that&#039;s a scroll wheel.

I do a lot of news and E-book reading on my PPC, and scrolling with the D-pad is not the best way, since it only allows for scrolling one line or one page at a time, while I would like to scroll one paragraph at a time, even half a page would be nice.

How hard can it be to put a small wheel on the side of a PPC?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is one button that I have been missing since my first PPC, and that&#8217;s a scroll wheel.</p>
<p>I do a lot of news and E-book reading on my PPC, and scrolling with the D-pad is not the best way, since it only allows for scrolling one line or one page at a time, while I would like to scroll one paragraph at a time, even half a page would be nice.</p>
<p>How hard can it be to put a small wheel on the side of a PPC?</p>
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		<title>By: siemens</title>
		<link>http://www.mobilitysite.com/2008/10/windows-mobile-devices-with-no-hardware-buttons/comment-page-1/#comment-9167</link>
		<dc:creator>siemens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 22:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are abselutely right. I have a Windows &quot;Smartphone&quot; now, and while I love all the buttons, I really miss the touch screen for panning and scrolling. Xperia is here within a weeks time, and i&#039;s soom Christmas :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are abselutely right. I have a Windows &#8220;Smartphone&#8221; now, and while I love all the buttons, I really miss the touch screen for panning and scrolling. Xperia is here within a weeks time, and i&#8217;s soom Christmas :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Pony99CA</title>
		<link>http://www.mobilitysite.com/2008/10/windows-mobile-devices-with-no-hardware-buttons/comment-page-1/#comment-9165</link>
		<dc:creator>Pony99CA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 18:53:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@W. M. Miller
&lt;blockquote&gt;My main concern is that I really like being able to map buttons in various applications (media players, Resco audio recorder, etc.) to do things like start, stop, skip forward or backward, turn on and off the screen, change the volume, etc. If you don’t have buttons, you can’t map buttons to do those functions, and that’s really unfortunate.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
That (and games, as TOCA mentioned) are why we need buttons.  In fact, I&#039;ve long wished that devices include &lt;b&gt;more&lt;/b&gt; hardware buttons, not fewer.

Of course, with larger screens (like 240x400), you could probably make a virtual button pad for games.  It wouldn&#039;t be too bad for gaming, because you&#039;re always looking at the screen.  For controlling applications without looking at the device, though, it wouldn&#039;t help at all.

@siemens
&lt;blockquote&gt;If it it is designed for one handed operation, then finger friendly has some sense, but still - in that case hardware buttens will be much better so you don’t have to look where your finger are.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Touchscreen devices are inherently &lt;b&gt;two-handed&lt;/b&gt; devices -- one to hold the device, the other to touch the screen.  If you want a one-handed device, look at Windows Mobile Standard (Smartphone), which is entirely controlled by buttons.

The problem with that is that you can&#039;t scroll quickly.  Navigating a long Web page with only up/down buttons is tedious.  Scroll bars making navigating much faster.

Steve</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@W. M. Miller</p>
<blockquote><p>My main concern is that I really like being able to map buttons in various applications (media players, Resco audio recorder, etc.) to do things like start, stop, skip forward or backward, turn on and off the screen, change the volume, etc. If you don’t have buttons, you can’t map buttons to do those functions, and that’s really unfortunate.</p></blockquote>
<p>That (and games, as TOCA mentioned) are why we need buttons.  In fact, I&#8217;ve long wished that devices include <b>more</b> hardware buttons, not fewer.</p>
<p>Of course, with larger screens (like 240&#215;400), you could probably make a virtual button pad for games.  It wouldn&#8217;t be too bad for gaming, because you&#8217;re always looking at the screen.  For controlling applications without looking at the device, though, it wouldn&#8217;t help at all.</p>
<p>@siemens</p>
<blockquote><p>If it it is designed for one handed operation, then finger friendly has some sense, but still &#8211; in that case hardware buttens will be much better so you don’t have to look where your finger are.</p></blockquote>
<p>Touchscreen devices are inherently <b>two-handed</b> devices &#8212; one to hold the device, the other to touch the screen.  If you want a one-handed device, look at Windows Mobile Standard (Smartphone), which is entirely controlled by buttons.</p>
<p>The problem with that is that you can&#8217;t scroll quickly.  Navigating a long Web page with only up/down buttons is tedious.  Scroll bars making navigating much faster.</p>
<p>Steve</p>
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		<title>By: TOCA</title>
		<link>http://www.mobilitysite.com/2008/10/windows-mobile-devices-with-no-hardware-buttons/comment-page-1/#comment-9161</link>
		<dc:creator>TOCA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 14:27:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now, how am I going to play racing and flying games, without a D-pad and 4 buttons for fireing different types of ammo? And my daily round of 18 holes, how am I going to get that exercise with out control buttons? ;)

Seriously, I have gotten used to use both D-pad and a few shortcut HW buttons on my devices, I don&#039;t think it will be easy to reverse that. Maybe it all depends on how you use your device, and for what?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now, how am I going to play racing and flying games, without a D-pad and 4 buttons for fireing different types of ammo? And my daily round of 18 holes, how am I going to get that exercise with out control buttons? ;)</p>
<p>Seriously, I have gotten used to use both D-pad and a few shortcut HW buttons on my devices, I don&#8217;t think it will be easy to reverse that. Maybe it all depends on how you use your device, and for what?</p>
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		<title>By: Cirrob</title>
		<link>http://www.mobilitysite.com/2008/10/windows-mobile-devices-with-no-hardware-buttons/comment-page-1/#comment-9160</link>
		<dc:creator>Cirrob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 12:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree siemens.  I get so Much more use out of my ppc than I ever did with my Iphone, not only because the better OS but because the hardware Keys and  stylus ... its simply faster to do things and navigate. More fits on the screen because they don&#039;t have to acconidutl fat fingers 

Mapping hardware keys just makes things that much faster.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree siemens.  I get so Much more use out of my ppc than I ever did with my Iphone, not only because the better OS but because the hardware Keys and  stylus &#8230; its simply faster to do things and navigate. More fits on the screen because they don&#8217;t have to acconidutl fat fingers </p>
<p>Mapping hardware keys just makes things that much faster.</p>
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		<title>By: siemens</title>
		<link>http://www.mobilitysite.com/2008/10/windows-mobile-devices-with-no-hardware-buttons/comment-page-1/#comment-9158</link>
		<dc:creator>siemens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 06:08:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Finger friendly touch screen is simply a poor excuse, and a &#039;hip&#039; or &#039;fashionable&#039; but ultimately dead end substitute for the lack of hardware keys.

If it it is designed for one handed operation, then finger friendly has some sense, but still - in that case hardware buttens will be much better so you don&#039;t have to look where your finger are.

For two handed operation, a stylus give a much more precise feel.

Finger friendly is really all fashion and no sense but for the simplest of tasks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Finger friendly touch screen is simply a poor excuse, and a &#8216;hip&#8217; or &#8216;fashionable&#8217; but ultimately dead end substitute for the lack of hardware keys.</p>
<p>If it it is designed for one handed operation, then finger friendly has some sense, but still &#8211; in that case hardware buttens will be much better so you don&#8217;t have to look where your finger are.</p>
<p>For two handed operation, a stylus give a much more precise feel.</p>
<p>Finger friendly is really all fashion and no sense but for the simplest of tasks.</p>
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		<title>By: W. M. Miller</title>
		<link>http://www.mobilitysite.com/2008/10/windows-mobile-devices-with-no-hardware-buttons/comment-page-1/#comment-9155</link>
		<dc:creator>W. M. Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 01:06:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I seldom use the D-pad for navigation through lists (the exception is in Contacts, where holding the down button starts skipping by letter instead by entry after a couple of seconds, which is pretty convenient) and never for menus; I often use my fingernail to select menu items and other things on the screen (I have a Cingular 8525 running WM5).  I generally only use a stylus when I need to enter text (I use SpeedScript, the best third-party SIP no one&#039;s ever heard of).

My main concern is that I really like being able to map buttons in various applications (media players, Resco audio recorder, etc.) to do things like start, stop, skip forward or backward, turn on and off the screen, change the volume, etc.  If you don&#039;t have buttons, you can&#039;t map buttons to do those functions, and that&#039;s really unfortunate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I seldom use the D-pad for navigation through lists (the exception is in Contacts, where holding the down button starts skipping by letter instead by entry after a couple of seconds, which is pretty convenient) and never for menus; I often use my fingernail to select menu items and other things on the screen (I have a Cingular 8525 running WM5).  I generally only use a stylus when I need to enter text (I use SpeedScript, the best third-party SIP no one&#8217;s ever heard of).</p>
<p>My main concern is that I really like being able to map buttons in various applications (media players, Resco audio recorder, etc.) to do things like start, stop, skip forward or backward, turn on and off the screen, change the volume, etc.  If you don&#8217;t have buttons, you can&#8217;t map buttons to do those functions, and that&#8217;s really unfortunate.</p>
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		<title>By: lapurd</title>
		<link>http://www.mobilitysite.com/2008/10/windows-mobile-devices-with-no-hardware-buttons/comment-page-1/#comment-9154</link>
		<dc:creator>lapurd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 00:16:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Folks at Microsoft will have to come to grips with the fact a vast majority of people (consumers or business) prefer &quot;finger friendly&quot; designs over whipping out a stylus on their minimalist layouts. Besides, long lists are nothing up or down page swipes can&#039;t cure. MS just needs to get their fingers out of their behinds ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Folks at Microsoft will have to come to grips with the fact a vast majority of people (consumers or business) prefer &#8220;finger friendly&#8221; designs over whipping out a stylus on their minimalist layouts. Besides, long lists are nothing up or down page swipes can&#8217;t cure. MS just needs to get their fingers out of their behinds ;)</p>
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		<title>By: surur</title>
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		<dc:creator>surur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 23:29:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dont know if you have used a HTC Touch Diamond Pro, but HTC has managed to increase the font sizes in ALL menus (even 3rd party software) to easy finger-friendly sizes, while lists are usually easy enough to use by finger.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dont know if you have used a HTC Touch Diamond Pro, but HTC has managed to increase the font sizes in ALL menus (even 3rd party software) to easy finger-friendly sizes, while lists are usually easy enough to use by finger.</p>
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