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	<title>Comments on: What happens when a Windows Mobile Addict breaks his vow and buys an iPhone?</title>
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		<title>By: JimT</title>
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		<dc:creator>JimT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 05:20:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@doogald

Since I use Mobile IE predominantly for viewing my preferred mobile sites, I have not experienced slow rendering using Mobile IE with EVDO, or WiFi.  Since I abhor horizontal scrolling so much, the mobile pages I view are generally relatively small, and render quickly.  If I know the page I want to view is either large, or uses sophisticated formatting, I usually use Opera Mobile/Mini, or NetFront.  I agree Mobile IE would be a dog on a large webpage both from rendering quality, and speed perspectives.   

Although Opera Mini/Mobile, and NetFront due a fine job displaying the entire web (full, and mobile), I have found that Mobile IE does the best job displaying mobile single column pages quickly with proper text reflows regardless of the text size chosen.   I hope when they &quot;improve&quot; Mobile IE, they do not ruin its fine ability to render the mobile web.  Maybe the new version of Mobile IE will keeps its current fine ability for the mobile web while adding the ability to display the full web properly, and quickly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@doogald</p>
<p>Since I use Mobile IE predominantly for viewing my preferred mobile sites, I have not experienced slow rendering using Mobile IE with EVDO, or WiFi.  Since I abhor horizontal scrolling so much, the mobile pages I view are generally relatively small, and render quickly.  If I know the page I want to view is either large, or uses sophisticated formatting, I usually use Opera Mobile/Mini, or NetFront.  I agree Mobile IE would be a dog on a large webpage both from rendering quality, and speed perspectives.   </p>
<p>Although Opera Mini/Mobile, and NetFront due a fine job displaying the entire web (full, and mobile), I have found that Mobile IE does the best job displaying mobile single column pages quickly with proper text reflows regardless of the text size chosen.   I hope when they &#8220;improve&#8221; Mobile IE, they do not ruin its fine ability to render the mobile web.  Maybe the new version of Mobile IE will keeps its current fine ability for the mobile web while adding the ability to display the full web properly, and quickly.</p>
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		<title>By: doogald</title>
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		<dc:creator>doogald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 03:06:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My biggest issue with Mobile IE is not with the quality of its rendering - though that can be really, really bad - it is with the incredibly slow rendering. It takes forever, and the browser is basically unusable while it it is still rendering. In my limited experience with the iPhone or the Touch, Mobile Safari was an order of magnitude better and easier to use.

Opera Mini or Skyfire may require an extra step to zoom, but at least they open pages very quickly, and generally support more contemporary features.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My biggest issue with Mobile IE is not with the quality of its rendering &#8211; though that can be really, really bad &#8211; it is with the incredibly slow rendering. It takes forever, and the browser is basically unusable while it it is still rendering. In my limited experience with the iPhone or the Touch, Mobile Safari was an order of magnitude better and easier to use.</p>
<p>Opera Mini or Skyfire may require an extra step to zoom, but at least they open pages very quickly, and generally support more contemporary features.</p>
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		<title>By: Pony99CA</title>
		<link>http://www.mobilitysite.com/2008/11/what-happens-when-a-windows-mobile-addict-breaks-his-vow-and-buys-an-iphone/comment-page-1/#comment-9730</link>
		<dc:creator>Pony99CA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@JimT:  That&#039;s a great post -- very informative and backed up with good personal experience.

Steve</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@JimT:  That&#8217;s a great post &#8212; very informative and backed up with good personal experience.</p>
<p>Steve</p>
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		<title>By: JimT</title>
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		<dc:creator>JimT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 21:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On devices with a &lt; 7&quot; screen, I prefer the mobile web.  All the panning, and scrolling required to view  a full desktop website in a small screen mobile device looks cool in a demo, but gets old very quickly for me, and judging by a recent &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/13/technology/13stream.html?_r=1&amp;scp=1&amp;sq=vertical+web&amp;st=nyt&amp;oref=slogin&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;NY Times article&lt;/a&gt;, for a lot of other people as well.  Unless a mobile site is designed for the iPhone, or the developer has added a Viewport meta-tag, mobile Safari has trouble displaying some single column webpages with a readable text size.  In portrait mode, some single column pages are totally unreadable with mobile Safari, and, at best, have a 8 or 9 point font in landscape mode.  Your choice is to read with too small a font, or pinch zoom.  Pinch zoom does not reflow the text, so the dreaded horizontal scrolling is required to read each line.  

Opera Mobile, Opera Mini, and NetFront display multi-column, single column, and mobile webpages fine.   IE does not display multi-column webpages very well, but it is one of the best for mobile, or single column websites.  Even though I have all the major browsers on my WM devices, IE is used about 85% of the time due to my preference for mobile sites which do not require panning (just another name for horizontal scrolling).

During your evaluation of the mobile Safari browser, try viewing Craigslist, one of the top 10 English language websites, and various generic (non-iphone specific) mobile websites.  Chances are you will have to decide between reading with too small a font for comfortable reading, or horizontally scrolling to read each line.

The screen quality of the iPhone is excellent.  I wish there was a WM phone that had a 4&quot; screen like the Toshiba e830 / HP210 PDA&#039;s.  With a 4&quot; screen, finger navigation is easy even with the standard WM interface, and a pleasant experience with the plethora of optional finger-friendly WM shells available.  About 95% of my interaction  with WM, and Palm devices is via finger navigation using the standard interfaces.  As one of the prior posters mentioned, there are times when the precision of a stylus is welcome such as when selecting a link on a webpage with a series of closely spaced links all bunched together.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On devices with a &lt; 7&#8243; screen, I prefer the mobile web.  All the panning, and scrolling required to view  a full desktop website in a small screen mobile device looks cool in a demo, but gets old very quickly for me, and judging by a recent <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/13/technology/13stream.html?_r=1&amp;scp=1&amp;sq=vertical+web&amp;st=nyt&amp;oref=slogin" rel="nofollow">NY Times article</a>, for a lot of other people as well.  Unless a mobile site is designed for the iPhone, or the developer has added a Viewport meta-tag, mobile Safari has trouble displaying some single column webpages with a readable text size.  In portrait mode, some single column pages are totally unreadable with mobile Safari, and, at best, have a 8 or 9 point font in landscape mode.  Your choice is to read with too small a font, or pinch zoom.  Pinch zoom does not reflow the text, so the dreaded horizontal scrolling is required to read each line.  </p>
<p>Opera Mobile, Opera Mini, and NetFront display multi-column, single column, and mobile webpages fine.   IE does not display multi-column webpages very well, but it is one of the best for mobile, or single column websites.  Even though I have all the major browsers on my WM devices, IE is used about 85% of the time due to my preference for mobile sites which do not require panning (just another name for horizontal scrolling).</p>
<p>During your evaluation of the mobile Safari browser, try viewing Craigslist, one of the top 10 English language websites, and various generic (non-iphone specific) mobile websites.  Chances are you will have to decide between reading with too small a font for comfortable reading, or horizontally scrolling to read each line.</p>
<p>The screen quality of the iPhone is excellent.  I wish there was a WM phone that had a 4&#8243; screen like the Toshiba e830 / HP210 PDA&#8217;s.  With a 4&#8243; screen, finger navigation is easy even with the standard WM interface, and a pleasant experience with the plethora of optional finger-friendly WM shells available.  About 95% of my interaction  with WM, and Palm devices is via finger navigation using the standard interfaces.  As one of the prior posters mentioned, there are times when the precision of a stylus is welcome such as when selecting a link on a webpage with a series of closely spaced links all bunched together.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 01:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know how you feel, I started out slowly but now have actually sold my tilt and now am solely running the iphone 3g.  I still consider myself an win mobile user but I can resist the screen size and eye candy of the iphone.   HURRY HTC TOUCH HD!  I CANT GO BACK TO A SMALLER SCREEN!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know how you feel, I started out slowly but now have actually sold my tilt and now am solely running the iphone 3g.  I still consider myself an win mobile user but I can resist the screen size and eye candy of the iphone.   HURRY HTC TOUCH HD!  I CANT GO BACK TO A SMALLER SCREEN!</p>
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		<title>By: the undude</title>
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		<dc:creator>the undude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 00:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>just for kicks, what about a list of the things people say to you now that you have an iphone, &#039;cos we know you iphone folks have secret handshakes and stuff too, right? ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just for kicks, what about a list of the things people say to you now that you have an iphone, &#8216;cos we know you iphone folks have secret handshakes and stuff too, right? ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: the undude</title>
		<link>http://www.mobilitysite.com/2008/11/what-happens-when-a-windows-mobile-addict-breaks-his-vow-and-buys-an-iphone/comment-page-1/#comment-9717</link>
		<dc:creator>the undude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 00:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so, you have an iphone now.   how about a list of things you like and dislike from your wimo perspective?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so, you have an iphone now.   how about a list of things you like and dislike from your wimo perspective?</p>
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		<title>By: Pony99CA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pony99CA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 23:22:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The link to my editorial had a slight typo.  Here&#039;s the correct link:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://thoughts.svpocketpc.com#THOUGHT_STYLUS_VS_FINGERS&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Why Windows Mobile Needs A Stylus&lt;/a&gt;

Steve</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The link to my editorial had a slight typo.  Here&#8217;s the correct link:</p>
<p><a href="http://thoughts.svpocketpc.com#THOUGHT_STYLUS_VS_FINGERS" rel="nofollow">Why Windows Mobile Needs A Stylus</a></p>
<p>Steve</p>
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		<title>By: Pony99CA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pony99CA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 21:20:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Athena:

&lt;blockquote&gt;let’s be honest, WM user interface designers have a lot to learn from the iphone! they just need to make everything finger-friendly, enough of the too small options, and the yes-no buttons, i always use my finger nails. WM did a good job with the TF3D, but that’s just a shell, not the whole OS.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
While Microsoft could learn from Apple here, 
any user interface is just a shell over the file, process, power and other management tools of the OS.  I think you mean that TouchFlo 3D isn&#039;t &lt;b&gt;integrated&lt;/b&gt; into the OS, which is true, so when you need to do something that TouchFlo doesn&#039;t handle, you have to revert to the standard Windows Mobile user interface.

&lt;blockquote&gt;when WM phones no longer come with styli, we will be ok.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Nonsense.  As I&#039;ve advocated for a while, WM should have a finger-friendly mode, but should also have a stylus mode for people who don&#039;t mind the existing interface or need the precision of a stylus.  Read my &lt;a href=&quot;http://thoughts.svpocketpc.com#THOUGHT_STYLUS_VS_FINDERS&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Why Windows Mobile Needs A Stylus&lt;/a&gt; editorial.

Without a stylus, you lose things like handwriting recognition, inking or drawing capabilities, easy copy/paste and maybe even faster scrolling.  Why would you want to make Windows Mobile less useful by getting rid of the stylus?

And, as I pointed out in the editorial, you can even buy a stylus for the iPhone.  :D

Steve</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Athena:</p>
<blockquote><p>let’s be honest, WM user interface designers have a lot to learn from the iphone! they just need to make everything finger-friendly, enough of the too small options, and the yes-no buttons, i always use my finger nails. WM did a good job with the TF3D, but that’s just a shell, not the whole OS.</p></blockquote>
<p>While Microsoft could learn from Apple here,<br />
any user interface is just a shell over the file, process, power and other management tools of the OS.  I think you mean that TouchFlo 3D isn&#8217;t <b>integrated</b> into the OS, which is true, so when you need to do something that TouchFlo doesn&#8217;t handle, you have to revert to the standard Windows Mobile user interface.</p>
<blockquote><p>when WM phones no longer come with styli, we will be ok.</p></blockquote>
<p>Nonsense.  As I&#8217;ve advocated for a while, WM should have a finger-friendly mode, but should also have a stylus mode for people who don&#8217;t mind the existing interface or need the precision of a stylus.  Read my <a href="http://thoughts.svpocketpc.com#THOUGHT_STYLUS_VS_FINDERS" rel="nofollow">Why Windows Mobile Needs A Stylus</a> editorial.</p>
<p>Without a stylus, you lose things like handwriting recognition, inking or drawing capabilities, easy copy/paste and maybe even faster scrolling.  Why would you want to make Windows Mobile less useful by getting rid of the stylus?</p>
<p>And, as I pointed out in the editorial, you can even buy a stylus for the iPhone.  :D</p>
<p>Steve</p>
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		<title>By: AthenaLod</title>
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		<dc:creator>AthenaLod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 17:15:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>let&#039;s be honest, WM user interface designers have a lot to learn from the iphone! they just need to make everything finger-friendly, enough of the too small options, and the yes-no buttons, i always use my finger nails. WM did a good job with the TF3D, but that&#039;s just a shell, not the whole OS. when WM phones no longer come with styli, we will be ok.

the iphone is an eye-candy, the whole world loves it, we all know that, made by one company, running an OS by the same company (no incompatibilities) that is putting all its might behind it, with a lot of name recognition.

WM is way more powerful than the iphone, but nobody knows what WM is, or who HTC is... so many players are in the the WM market.

anyway, would never trade my Tilt (or Fuze if I upgrade) for a toy (aka iphone).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>let&#8217;s be honest, WM user interface designers have a lot to learn from the iphone! they just need to make everything finger-friendly, enough of the too small options, and the yes-no buttons, i always use my finger nails. WM did a good job with the TF3D, but that&#8217;s just a shell, not the whole OS. when WM phones no longer come with styli, we will be ok.</p>
<p>the iphone is an eye-candy, the whole world loves it, we all know that, made by one company, running an OS by the same company (no incompatibilities) that is putting all its might behind it, with a lot of name recognition.</p>
<p>WM is way more powerful than the iphone, but nobody knows what WM is, or who HTC is&#8230; so many players are in the the WM market.</p>
<p>anyway, would never trade my Tilt (or Fuze if I upgrade) for a toy (aka iphone).</p>
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		<title>By: Pedah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pedah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 11:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gil, i can understand your disappointment at mobile monday evevts, I&#039;d have an iPhone if I could afford it, and still rock my axim. The iphone interface is as flawless as I would like WinMo to be.....

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gil, i can understand your disappointment at mobile monday evevts, I&#8217;d have an iPhone if I could afford it, and still rock my axim. The iphone interface is as flawless as I would like WinMo to be&#8230;..</p>
<p>As If</p>
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		<title>By: Aura Mae</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aura Mae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 02:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am Windows Mobile Professional user. My husband has a Blackberry and my kid has an iPhone.  Husband is a bit envious of the kid&#039;s phone, has the Blackberry for work. 

Having helped both of them shop for and set up their phones, I still like mine best.

But I sure would like a new, updated operating system!  (I am a chronic ROM flasher, and I am not ashamed to admit it!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am Windows Mobile Professional user. My husband has a Blackberry and my kid has an iPhone.  Husband is a bit envious of the kid&#8217;s phone, has the Blackberry for work. </p>
<p>Having helped both of them shop for and set up their phones, I still like mine best.</p>
<p>But I sure would like a new, updated operating system!  (I am a chronic ROM flasher, and I am not ashamed to admit it!)</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Donovan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Donovan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 02:22:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I get ragged on a bit by citanic for my iPhone fixation :), but the things you have said ring true for me. I have become obsessed with that phone, like no other device I have owned (and there have been many). They really came up with a behavior changing device, I think. I still like WinMo and it has things it is really good at doing, but... I mean, the iPhone is something special.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I get ragged on a bit by citanic for my iPhone fixation :), but the things you have said ring true for me. I have become obsessed with that phone, like no other device I have owned (and there have been many). They really came up with a behavior changing device, I think. I still like WinMo and it has things it is really good at doing, but&#8230; I mean, the iPhone is something special.</p>
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		<dc:creator>winmobile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 02:19:32 +0000</pubDate>
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