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		<title>By: Pony99CA</title>
		<link>http://www.mobilitysite.com/2009/04/is-android-a-failure/comment-page-1/#comment-17359</link>
		<dc:creator>Pony99CA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 04:04:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I wrote &quot;He claims&quot;, that was referring to Sascha Segan.  I haven&#039;t used anything related to Android, so I have no opinion on the quality of the SDK.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I just thought the article was interesting, so I posted about it.  If you want to dispute the claims, I suggest responding to the author in the &lt;a href=&quot;http://discuss.pcmag.com/forums/1004420572/ShowPost.aspx&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;discussion thread&lt;/a&gt; at PC Magazine.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Steve</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I wrote &#8220;He claims&#8221;, that was referring to Sascha Segan.  I haven&#39;t used anything related to Android, so I have no opinion on the quality of the SDK.</p>
<p>I just thought the article was interesting, so I posted about it.  If you want to dispute the claims, I suggest responding to the author in the <a href="http://discuss.pcmag.com/forums/1004420572/ShowPost.aspx" rel="nofollow">discussion thread</a> at PC Magazine.</p>
<p>Steve</p>
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		<title>By: ianmccully</title>
		<link>http://www.mobilitysite.com/2009/04/is-android-a-failure/comment-page-1/#comment-17354</link>
		<dc:creator>ianmccully</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 00:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Second, the software development environment isn’t very good.  He claims people said the initial Software Development Kit (SDK) wasn’t great, and that the new SDK doesn’t really have any game-changing features.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Basically i thought you were righting off android thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Second, the software development environment isn’t very good.  He claims people said the initial Software Development Kit (SDK) wasn’t great, and that the new SDK doesn’t really have any game-changing features.</p>
<p>Basically i thought you were righting off android thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Pony99CA</title>
		<link>http://www.mobilitysite.com/2009/04/is-android-a-failure/comment-page-1/#comment-17342</link>
		<dc:creator>Pony99CA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 00:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I knew what you were commenting on.  What you might not know is that I&#039;m the person that wrote the article you quoted.  (You never need to quote the full article, by the way; just quote the piece(s) you disagree with.)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;However, my conclusion was that I thought it was too early to write Android off, which seems to be your comment, too.  So, again, what part of my article were you disagreeing with?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Steve</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I knew what you were commenting on.  What you might not know is that I&#39;m the person that wrote the article you quoted.  (You never need to quote the full article, by the way; just quote the piece(s) you disagree with.)</p>
<p>However, my conclusion was that I thought it was too early to write Android off, which seems to be your comment, too.  So, again, what part of my article were you disagreeing with?</p>
<p>Steve</p>
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		<title>By: ianmccully</title>
		<link>http://www.mobilitysite.com/2009/04/is-android-a-failure/comment-page-1/#comment-17336</link>
		<dc:creator>ianmccully</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 21:17:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi steve&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I am commenting on the article above your comment and not your thanks&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;kind regards&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Ian mccully</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi steve</p>
<p>I am commenting on the article above your comment and not your thanks</p>
<p>kind regards</p>
<p>Ian mccully</p>
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		<title>By: ianmccully</title>
		<link>http://www.mobilitysite.com/2009/04/is-android-a-failure/comment-page-1/#comment-17335</link>
		<dc:creator>ianmccully</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 21:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I am commenting on this not your answer thanks &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Posted by Steve Mueller on April 28, 2009 – 4:12 amComments&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Frank posted about 1 million T-Mobile G1s being sold, but Sascha Segan at PC Magazine is beginning to worry whether Android is already a failure.  He bases his claims on a couple of Android_Failurepoints. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;First, there are only two Android phones available — the T-Mobile G1 and the HTC Magic (which is similar to the G1 without a keyboard).  That’s not a great variety for a platform touted as being so flexible.  Sure, various hardware OEMs (like Motorola) have said they’d be dev eloping Android phones, but nobody has any to show yet.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Second, the software development environment isn’t very good.  He claims people said the initial Software Development Kit (SDK) wasn’t great, and that the new SDK doesn’t really have any game-changing features.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Also, if you look at sales, T-Mobile has sold 1 million Android phones, but the iPhone sold almost 3.7 million units in its first six months.  That’s a huge difference.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Granted, the iPhone may be a special case, but Android hasn’t seemed to have gotten a lot of play at Mobile World Congress or CTIA.  Maybe I’m too focused on Windows Mobile, but have I missed much?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Personally, I think that it’s too early to write Android off.  Google has deep pockets and great talent, so I’m sure they can make a great product.  However, there’s also a lot of competition out there from a newly revitalized Windows Mobile, the Palm Pre, BlackBerry and, of course, the iPhone.  What do you think</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve </p>
<p>I am commenting on this not your answer thanks </p>
<p>Posted by Steve Mueller on April 28, 2009 – 4:12 amComments</p>
<p>Frank posted about 1 million T-Mobile G1s being sold, but Sascha Segan at PC Magazine is beginning to worry whether Android is already a failure.  He bases his claims on a couple of Android_Failurepoints. </p>
<p>First, there are only two Android phones available — the T-Mobile G1 and the HTC Magic (which is similar to the G1 without a keyboard).  That’s not a great variety for a platform touted as being so flexible.  Sure, various hardware OEMs (like Motorola) have said they’d be dev eloping Android phones, but nobody has any to show yet.</p>
<p>Second, the software development environment isn’t very good.  He claims people said the initial Software Development Kit (SDK) wasn’t great, and that the new SDK doesn’t really have any game-changing features.</p>
<p>Also, if you look at sales, T-Mobile has sold 1 million Android phones, but the iPhone sold almost 3.7 million units in its first six months.  That’s a huge difference.</p>
<p>Granted, the iPhone may be a special case, but Android hasn’t seemed to have gotten a lot of play at Mobile World Congress or CTIA.  Maybe I’m too focused on Windows Mobile, but have I missed much?</p>
<p>Personally, I think that it’s too early to write Android off.  Google has deep pockets and great talent, so I’m sure they can make a great product.  However, there’s also a lot of competition out there from a newly revitalized Windows Mobile, the Palm Pre, BlackBerry and, of course, the iPhone.  What do you think</p>
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		<title>By: Pony99CA</title>
		<link>http://www.mobilitysite.com/2009/04/is-android-a-failure/comment-page-1/#comment-17334</link>
		<dc:creator>Pony99CA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 20:47:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll bite.  What comment of mine in an almost-four-month-old article don&#039;t you agree with?  The only real comment that I made said, &quot;Personally, I think that it’s too early to write Android off.&quot;  Your comment actually seems to agree with mine, so I&#039;m confused.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Steve</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;ll bite.  What comment of mine in an almost-four-month-old article don&#39;t you agree with?  The only real comment that I made said, &#8220;Personally, I think that it’s too early to write Android off.&#8221;  Your comment actually seems to agree with mine, so I&#39;m confused.</p>
<p>Steve</p>
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		<title>By: ianmccully</title>
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		<dc:creator>ianmccully</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 20:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dont agree with your  comments as there is the htc hero which has nearly caught up with the iphone if you read reviews on &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cnet.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;www.cnet.com&lt;/a&gt;, anyone can make an app for android can the same be said for the iphone., in addition to this imho they will be billions of apps for this phone when people get round to making them i think the future is android .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dont agree with your  comments as there is the htc hero which has nearly caught up with the iphone if you read reviews on <a href="http://www.cnet.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.cnet.com</a>, anyone can make an app for android can the same be said for the iphone., in addition to this imho they will be billions of apps for this phone when people get round to making them i think the future is android .</p>
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		<title>By: Fernando</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fernando</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 16:32:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t think the android is a failure. Maybe some people would like it would be a failure, but the reality is that android has the problems of a young thing on the market. The software is at this  being delevoped, and great phones are coming with it. HTC hero was only presented few days ago and just look about the feedback of ppl all around the world. The future will have his word...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#39;t think the android is a failure. Maybe some people would like it would be a failure, but the reality is that android has the problems of a young thing on the market. The software is at this  being delevoped, and great phones are coming with it. HTC hero was only presented few days ago and just look about the feedback of ppl all around the world. The future will have his word&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Shiz</title>
		<link>http://www.mobilitysite.com/2009/04/is-android-a-failure/comment-page-1/#comment-16565</link>
		<dc:creator>Shiz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 03:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think they&#039;re idiots for not including enough features, and for offering it through a cell company. sell it for a crapload of cash, and have their own -free- services, like txt and call and (of course) net.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think they&#39;re idiots for not including enough features, and for offering it through a cell company. sell it for a crapload of cash, and have their own -free- services, like txt and call and (of course) net.</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous coward</title>
		<link>http://www.mobilitysite.com/2009/04/is-android-a-failure/comment-page-1/#comment-16557</link>
		<dc:creator>anonymous coward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 17:23:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Catchy title, stupid article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Catchy title, stupid article.</p>
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		<title>By: Horatio chi</title>
		<link>http://www.mobilitysite.com/2009/04/is-android-a-failure/comment-page-1/#comment-16457</link>
		<dc:creator>Horatio chi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 19:53:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the iphone and android OS are competitors? NO! Not according to their shared board member.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Palm Pre will take on the Iphone while android is allowed to mature. T-mobile is happy..so will be motorolla and now samsung.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It was never meant to compete with the likes of apple hardware and OS.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Apple and even Palm can take all the high end user(guys and gals who buy mac books) Google want everybody else and 2010 they will be closer to world domination...hehehe&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I  mean really blackberry not doing well.. neither is palm..hell even the iphone did not hit its expect marks this year.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Android is right where Google wants it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;By the way look at all the job posting for android developers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the iphone and android OS are competitors? NO! Not according to their shared board member.</p>
<p>Palm Pre will take on the Iphone while android is allowed to mature. T-mobile is happy..so will be motorolla and now samsung.</p>
<p>It was never meant to compete with the likes of apple hardware and OS.</p>
<p>Apple and even Palm can take all the high end user(guys and gals who buy mac books) Google want everybody else and 2010 they will be closer to world domination&#8230;hehehe</p>
<p>I  mean really blackberry not doing well.. neither is palm..hell even the iphone did not hit its expect marks this year.</p>
<p>Android is right where Google wants it.</p>
<p>By the way look at all the job posting for android developers</p>
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		<title>By: cgavula</title>
		<link>http://www.mobilitysite.com/2009/04/is-android-a-failure/comment-page-1/#comment-16449</link>
		<dc:creator>cgavula</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 19:18:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And don&#039;t forget about the iPod Touch - different models still running that OS.  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And don&#39;t forget about the iPod Touch &#8211; different models still running that OS.  :-)</p>
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		<title>By: bennyj</title>
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		<dc:creator>bennyj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 00:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Considering Android is FREE!!! Yes it is absolutely a failure.  Almost every phone maker talked about Android then they decided to spend money (In a Recession!) elsewhere. Nuff Said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Considering Android is FREE!!! Yes it is absolutely a failure.  Almost every phone maker talked about Android then they decided to spend money (In a Recession!) elsewhere. Nuff Said.</p>
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		<title>By: Pony99CA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pony99CA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 20:01:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@fForge42:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Android is only available on 2 phones, with more in the pipeline. So, that means that right now, I can get android on precisely twice as many phones as the iPhone OS... or I guess you could argue its availabe on the same number of phones if you count iPhone and iPhone 3g as two distinct devices.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think you have to count the iPhone and iPhone 3g as different devices, and you may even have to count the models (different amounts of flash, like 4 GB and 8 GB on the original iPhone) as different devices.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Also, to some degree, you need to look at the carriers that support the devices (especially if they have different branding).  If you do that, the iPhone has many more devices, because it&#039;s available on many more carriers.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In the Windows Mobile world, should we count the HTC Touch Pro (unlocked) as a different phone from the AT&amp;T Fuze?  I can argue either way.  I think you certainly have to count the Verizon Touch Pro as a different phone due to the different cellular radio (although that argument obviously doesn&#039;t apply to the iPhone or Android as neither are available on CDMA systems yet).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;@ctitanic:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;3 devices. Today Samsung already announced the I7600 using Android. &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;Cool.  Thanks for pointing that out.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;@doog:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;My guess is that G1 sales have met or exceeded expectations so far. Apple hoped and expected to sell lots of iPhones, and they have; I suspect T-Mobile and Google had lower expectations. Non-story.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;I hardly think your comment proves it&#039;s a non-story.  The article cited addressed more than just sales; device availability and software development were also addressed.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;T-Mobile may be happy, but is Google really satisfied?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;@T1000:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt; If we start to whole-heartedly accept Android as being superior to everything and ignore or give excuses for its faults, then Android will fail. I guarantee you that. &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;I suspect there are a lot of iPhone fanboys that  who would argue that.  :D  The iPhone was lacking many basic features expected in today&#039;s phones and media devices, yet it is doing very well.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I agree with your premise, though.  Letting faults sit by ignoring them leads to stagnation.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Steve</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@fForge42:</p>
<blockquote><p>Android is only available on 2 phones, with more in the pipeline. So, that means that right now, I can get android on precisely twice as many phones as the iPhone OS&#8230; or I guess you could argue its availabe on the same number of phones if you count iPhone and iPhone 3g as two distinct devices.</p></blockquote>
<p>I think you have to count the iPhone and iPhone 3g as different devices, and you may even have to count the models (different amounts of flash, like 4 GB and 8 GB on the original iPhone) as different devices.</p>
<p>Also, to some degree, you need to look at the carriers that support the devices (especially if they have different branding).  If you do that, the iPhone has many more devices, because it&#39;s available on many more carriers.</p>
<p>In the Windows Mobile world, should we count the HTC Touch Pro (unlocked) as a different phone from the AT&#038;T Fuze?  I can argue either way.  I think you certainly have to count the Verizon Touch Pro as a different phone due to the different cellular radio (although that argument obviously doesn&#39;t apply to the iPhone or Android as neither are available on CDMA systems yet).</p>
<p>@ctitanic:</p>
<blockquote><p>3 devices. Today Samsung already announced the I7600 using Android. </p></blockquote>
<p>Cool.  Thanks for pointing that out.</p>
<p>@doog:</p>
<blockquote><p>My guess is that G1 sales have met or exceeded expectations so far. Apple hoped and expected to sell lots of iPhones, and they have; I suspect T-Mobile and Google had lower expectations. Non-story.</p></blockquote>
<p>I hardly think your comment proves it&#39;s a non-story.  The article cited addressed more than just sales; device availability and software development were also addressed.</p>
<p>T-Mobile may be happy, but is Google really satisfied?</p>
<p>@T1000:</p>
<blockquote><p> If we start to whole-heartedly accept Android as being superior to everything and ignore or give excuses for its faults, then Android will fail. I guarantee you that. </p></blockquote>
<p>I suspect there are a lot of iPhone fanboys that  who would argue that.  :D  The iPhone was lacking many basic features expected in today&#39;s phones and media devices, yet it is doing very well.</p>
<p>I agree with your premise, though.  Letting faults sit by ignoring them leads to stagnation.</p>
<p>Steve</p>
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		<title>By: iBleedsixcolors</title>
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		<dc:creator>iBleedsixcolors</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 17:45:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The real problem is that Google&#039;s business model isn&#039;t about making good technology.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Google makes money from selling advertising space.  The Mobile market is important as an ad platform, but since they gather no real revenue from the sale of each individual product, they end up with an arms length relationship with the technology.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If you look though Google&#039;s technology offerings, you&#039;ll see one simple theme:  Make products that are clever, but don&#039;t worry about the fit and finish.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Google is counting on other companies like HTC to do the hard work of building a polished product,  and that&#039;s a completely different world than the one we see from Apple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The real problem is that Google&#39;s business model isn&#39;t about making good technology.</p>
<p>Google makes money from selling advertising space.  The Mobile market is important as an ad platform, but since they gather no real revenue from the sale of each individual product, they end up with an arms length relationship with the technology.</p>
<p>If you look though Google&#39;s technology offerings, you&#39;ll see one simple theme:  Make products that are clever, but don&#39;t worry about the fit and finish.</p>
<p>Google is counting on other companies like HTC to do the hard work of building a polished product,  and that&#39;s a completely different world than the one we see from Apple.</p>
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