Windows Phone 7 Series: My Thoughts.

Posted by Stephen Borders on Mar 17, 2010

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phones[1]_thumb In February Microsoft announced its new Phone platform Windows Phone 7 Series(WP7S). For many it was extremely overdue because the current platform had fallen way behind (arguably) the usability of the iPhone platform. Since its introduction the market share of WM has continued to drop. What I believe Apple did is take the Smartphone platform to the consumer level. Prior to that most people used basic or feature cell phones. Only business users and technically oriented people used a PDA/Smartphone. So last year, as we know now, Microsoft did two things: They did some major tweaking to the WM OS and brought us WM 6.5 and they reset their strategy for WM7. In other words they started over.

What I first saw in February was both exciting and disappointing. I saw a very consumer oriented OS that seemed to put everything in a logical place and kept it all up to date. It integrated many things that People are using like social networking, entertainment, and PIM (Personal Information Management) in a way that had not been done before, all at your finger tips and all in the places you would expect to find it. There were some things that were not clear how they would be handled like multi-tasking but we were told all would be revealed at MIX in March. So I reserved my final decision as to whether I would move to this new platform or not.

Well March is here and  in recent days a lot of information has been released at MIX, Microsoft’s Developer conference about what WP7S is and is not, as well as how to develop applications for it. I watched the Keynote on Monday and was intrigued at how seemingly easy it will be to develop for the platform. In all that I have read I have been both excited and let down drastically at the same time. Why? I will explain what I like, what I dislike, what is unexplainable and what I don’t know.

The Interface

The interface to me makes sense, you have what you need in front of you at  all times. All of your content is in related hubs and it has all been formatted in the look of the Zune software, Window Media Center and from what I am told the Xbox. Everything is put into the proper category or hub and can be shared through your email and/or social networks. The tiles, as they are called can be updated live, letting you know at a glance what has changed so you can react to it as needed. Overall I think it is simple, intuitive and powerful.

Minimum Hardware Specifications

With the new OS Microsoft has determined that minimum specifications would be required for WP7S.  Part of the problem with the current platform is the widely diverse platforms it is used on and so  this prevents a consistent experience with the OS. Varying processors, screen sizes, and amounts of memory, both storage and ram, made some devices more capable then others and so no real way of easily upgrading your device other than new hardware in most cases. This also will ensure we don’t get short changed on things like a headphone jack, a hardware camera button and the like. This is a good thing.

Storage and File Access

Microsoft has said that in this new platform, there will not be user replaceable storage. That minimum specs require at least 8GB of internal storage which for me and probably most is enough. Undoubtedly some will have as much as 32GB or even 64GB of storage for those that need more. The hiccup for most WM fans is that this memory will not be accessible to the user as a USB drive to transfer documents and other items as we have always been able to. That’s right they are doing away with file structure access. Part of this I understand. If you let the average consumer access the file structure of the device they will delete something they shouldn’t. But at least let us access a document folder, don’t shut us out of the whole thing. I have an iPod Touch and this limitation, to me is a real aggravation. To have to use a piece of software or use a FTP to download or upload a file is a pain. Bad Microsoft.

Installing Applications

With the new WP7S for most consumers the only way to install an application will be through the market place. While this won’t be a big deal for most consumers who have never used the current platform, this is a drastic break from what WM users are used to. Undoubtedly someone will unlock the devices to allow this but this is what I think is a trade-off for a more stable system. Many of the problems with the stability of WM now is third party applications.  My wife uses a Treo 750 running WM6.1 with no installed software at all. She has to do a reset maybe twice a year. Power users understand this consumers do not. So to make sure the application does not cause stability issues, having an approval process is, in my opinion, the right choice. As long as they don’t use it for censorship. For me this could be an issue because I have one piece of software that I side load that likely will never be offered through an app store.

Multitasking

Here is where things really start to get people upset. From what has been revealed, WP7S will not multitask, at least not the way WM has always done it. This, to me, is a mixed bag and really not as big a deal as many think. For years People have complained that the X button didn’t really close an application rather just minimize it and as a result have sought out for a way to close the applications they did not want to run in the background. This is because it caused the device to run slow, took up ram and ate up the battery. Instead we had to go into the settings and close applications manually to let the system run better. Microsoft never changed it and so manufacturers like HTC and third parties built applications to allow you to do that and allow exceptions to be made for your mail and other applications to continue to run. So really we asked for this, we got it and now we don’t like it?

Cut, Copy And Paste

I can’t believe I have to write this but here it goes. What!. Of all the things to leave out. Yeah I know, the OS can identify Phone numbers and web addresses, but still, to leave out copy and paste. We all, Microsoft included, made fun of the iPhone for not having this feature and having to wait until the third year to get it. No I don’t use it much but I do use it and it is inexcusable to leave this out. I want to think that they are just telling us this to throw competitors off the trail, but if this is true, I feel it will alienate nearly all the WM users that have a choice. Would this alone stop me from upgrading from WM6.5? Probably not but this combined with the iPhone-esque lock down would. Amazing just amazing.

Syncing

With the new platform Active sync and Mobile device center will be a thing of the past, All I have to say is hooray! While both are an effective (barely) way of syncing most of your content it has never been a complete solution. Especially for those who wanted to sync media as well as PIM and documents. To move to the Zune software and OTA syncing is just better. Now if they would just allow us to explore the device.

Things We Don’t Know

We still don’t know how Office will work except that we are told we will have Share Point and the ability to sync multiple exchange accounts. It may be that Share Point will be the means to access documents and such. We also don’t know how or if (at first anyway) the Enterprise will be able to load vertical applications on their devices. We also don’t know how much developers will like making applications for it. They seem excited about it now but only time will tell. A lot will depend on how they are treated by Microsoft and its marketplace. One real question I am struggling with is the apparent silence of those who would likely be under an NDA such as the Mobile MVP and others who have had recent access to the devices but are keeping their comments to themselves. Which may or may not mean there is more to this story then we are getting. We will just have to wait and see.

Final Thoughts

Looking at the mobile space in 2010, a clean break was needed for Microsoft to compete in the Mobile market. Too much was being left to the manufacturers to make things work, although some manufacturers like HTC made WM competitive longer than it could have on its own. But while a clean break inevitably causes change and loss of features, it shouldn’t do away with basic needs of your consumers. The openness, capability and ability to customize our devices has kept the WM faithful buying these devices when innovative companies offered easier to use and in some ways (Internet browsing) a better experience. I am not sure it is a good idea to alienate your core user base. I still will not buy an iPhone, or an Android device, but I am not sure I will by a WP7S device either. Until I find out more, or get the finished product in my hand to review it, for now at least, I will stick with and enjoy my Tilt2 running the old Windows Mobile accessing and flashing to my hearts content. If you have thoughts or insights let me know what you think by posting in the comments.

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Stephen is an Veteran Automotive Technician turned Instructor who after getting introduced to computers on Automobiles, became interested in home computers and handheld PDAs. His love for cars and gadgets is second to his love for his wife of 27 years, his kids and grandkids. He resides and works in the Atlanta Georgia area.

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  • breley

    Spot on, Stephen. I feel like I'm setting the Wayback Machine to iPhone 1.0 with Microsoft branding. Speaking of which, if/when Apple brings its iPhone 4G before Windows 7 devices are available and it includes multitasking and better hardware, that's where a sizable portion of mobile users will gravitate towards. Also, with devices like the HTC Desire in the wings, I think the Droid OS is going to beckon still larger numbers of users as well.

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    Spot on, Stephen. I feel like I'm setting the Wayback Machine to iPhone 1.0 with Microsoft branding. Speaking of which, if/when Apple brings its iPhone 4G before Windows 7 devices are available and it includes multitasking and better hardware, that's where a sizable portion of mobile users will gravitate towards. Also, with devices like the HTC Desire in the wings, I think the Droid OS is going to beckon still larger numbers of users as well.

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  • http://pocketprimer.com ProfJulie

    “One real question I am struggling with is the apparent silence of those who would likely be under an NDA such as the Mobile MVP and others who have had recent access to the devices but are keeping their comments to themselves.”

    At the recent MVP summit, we were reminded over and over again that everything we saw, felt, heard, etc about WM7 was covered under our NDA, so don't expect to hear any new information from us.

    WM7 is going to provide a different mobile experience, even for windows mobile veterens like us! So we'll have to adjust our expectations somewhat before we can make an honest assessment of it. Suffice it to say, I have mixed emotions about WM7 and agree fully with your Final Thoughts, especially this one: “I am not sure I will buy a WP7 device…. Until I find out more, or get the finished product in my hand to review it, for now at least, I will stick with…” WM6.1 and WM6.5 phones.

  • bruceatk

    I don't think we asked to not have multi-tasking. We just asked for the close button to be a close button. I can't tell you how many people I know that have returned their devices because they slowed down and became unusable after they had used it for a few days. I have always used a utility to make the close button work properly and I go back to Pocket PC 2002. It's one of the first things that I installed.

    It looks like I will have a Windows Mobile 6.x device for a long time. It would be so easy for Microsoft to fix the minor annoyances that they have let fester for years. I think the new interface looks cheap and hurried. I have always liked that I can assemble several utilities and make a first class experience on my Windows Mobile device.

    I currently toggle between SPB's Windows Mobile Shell and my custom today screen giving me quick access to tons of information. I couldn't begin to list the applications that I use. It looks like they will all be obsolete soon.

    I use copy and past daily. Even on my iPod Touch. I can honestly say I will never own a Windows Mobile 7 device. The iPhone is looking better all the time. Right now the only negative to the iPhone/iPod experience is the lack of the equivalent of the Windows Mobile pre 6.5 Today screen.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/34BEU6VWT4XLUJUMN3BZ2IZQTI Eric

    I think u pretty much stated the opinions of most of us here, i don't like what i've been hearing this week so it sounds like my next device will be that of WM 6.5.x or windows phone starter edition. it looks to me like MS will target 7 for the general consumer on 6.5.x or starter edition for the business and power users (like me & a lot of us).

  • badersk

    I understand about the NDA, I was talking about the MVPs not commenting on features that were disclose by Microsoft. Thanks for commenting

  • badersk

    Yeah, I am going to stay where I am. I bought a new Tilt2 after I saw the new version because I knew at least one of my applications would not work on WP7S. As long as they still support the Legacy OS I will stay with it for a while.

  • badersk

    That is why I said we kind of asked for it. We wanted to close the programs. It is rare that I leave stuff running in the background on purpose (other than email) so it will open faster.

    I don't like the WM6.5 home screen. I use Touch Flo or sense depending which Rom I am running. I feel mobile shell kind of lost it's way and became too scattered, but that's the beauty of WM. Choice.
    Thanks for commenting

  • badersk

    Yeah I really don't want to move to another platform, I still like what I can do with WM. I really hope they stick to what they said and continue to develop it as a business platform.

  • http://www.svpocketpc.com Pony99CA

    The Interface

    The interface to me makes sense, you have what you need in front of you at all times. All of your content is in related hubs and it has all been formatted in the look of the Zune software, Window Media Center and from what I am told the Xbox. Everything is put into the proper category or hub and can be shared through your email and/or social networks. The tiles, as they are called can be updated live, letting you know at a glance what has changed so you can react to it as needed. Overall I think it is simple, intuitive and powerful.

    I'll have to use it to give a full opinion, but I think Microsoft could have accommodated both finger-friendly and stylus-friendly applications. See my Windows Moble New Year's Resolutions for more information.

    For example, they could have made the Hub interface like the Today screen (with an option to get to the traditional Today screen, too).

    Minimum Hardware Specifications

    With the new OS Microsoft has determined that minimum specifications would be required for WP7S. Part of the problem with the current platform is the widely diverse platforms it is used on and so this prevents a consistent experience with the OS. Varying processors, screen sizes, and amounts of memory, both storage and ram, made some devices more capable then others and so no real way of easily upgrading your device other than new hardware in most cases. This also will ensure we don’t get short changed on things like a headphone jack, a hardware camera button and the like. This is a good thing.

    I think Microsoft always did have “minimum” specs. They included things like an ARM processor, at least so much memory, IR support, etc. back in the day. The problem may be that they didn't update the specs as technology moved on, so new minimum specs is a good thing.

    However, I'm more concerned with the “maximum” specs. From what I've read, Windows Phone will support three chassis specifications — a touch panel (like the iPhone or Omnia), a side slider (like the Touch Pro 2) and maybe a QWERTYbar phone (like the Jack). I'm not sure that's enough.

    One of the big advantages Windows Mobile phones had over the iPhone was the variety of form factors. Three form factors is still better than one, but it looks like Android will probably be the form factor king in the future.

    I also want more buttons on my phone, not fewer. My Omnia's lack of an OK and Back button is very annoying at times.

    Storage and File Access

    Microsoft has said that in this new platform, there will not be user replaceable storage. That minimum specs require at least 8GB of internal storage which for me and probably most is enough. Undoubtedly some will have as much as 32GB or even 64GB of storage for those that need more. The hiccup for most WM fans is that this memory will not be accessible to the user as a USB drive to transfer documents and other items as we have always been able to. That’s right they are doing away with file structure access. Part of this I understand. If you let the average consumer access the file structure of the device they will delete something they shouldn’t. But at least let us access a document folder, don’t shut us out of the whole thing. I have an iPod Touch and this limitation, to me is a real aggravation. To have to use a piece of software or use a FTP to download or upload a file is a pain. Bad Microsoft.

    Bad indeed. I recently had to replace my 8 GB MicroSD card with a 16 GB one to hold more music (plus my GPS maps, etc.) Imagine being told you have to buy a new phone to increase your storage!

    Worse, if your embedded storage fails, guess what — your whole device has to shipped for repair. If your memory card goes bad, you can just replace it (and restore it if you keep it backed up) and be back in business in minutes (hours at worst), not days.

    As for file system access, I have no problem with the way things are in today's Windows Mobile devices. Sure, you can delete stuff, but that's true on a PC, too. And, with WM system files in ROM, even if you deleted them, they came back with a soft reset. I think Microsoft would have been better off just not exposing the file browser. Power users could probably find it, but they usually know what they're doing.

    Installing Applications

    With the new WP7S for most consumers the only way to install an application will be through the market place. While this won’t be a big deal for most consumers who have never used the current platform, this is a drastic break from what WM users are used to. Undoubtedly someone will unlock the devices to allow this but this is what I think is a trade-off for a more stable system. Many of the problems with the stability of WM now is third party applications. My wife uses a Treo 750 running WM6.1 with no installed software at all. She has to do a reset maybe twice a year. Power users understand this consumers do not. So to make sure the application does not cause stability issues, having an approval process is, in my opinion, the right choice. As long as they don’t use it for censorship. For me this could be an issue because I have one piece of software that I side load that likely will never be offered through an app store.

    Again, power users should be able to control their devices. Can you imagine the reaction if Microsoft had said that you could only buy software for Windows 7 from a Microsoft-branded store?

    People install “uncertified” software on their PCs regularly and don't have too many issues. Yes, there are some that have problems, but that's why Microsoft created Restore Points. With enough embedded memory, you could put Restore Points there. (That's a good use for embedded memory.)

    In addition, Microsoft has had an approval process for years. You could get your software certified for Windows Mobile if you wanted to. However, it cost money and most developers being fairly small (or even one-man operations) wouldn't or couldn't.

    Multitasking

    Here is where things really start to get people upset. From what has been revealed, WP7S will not multitask, at least not the way WM has always done it. This, to me, is a mixed bag and really not as big a deal as many think. For years People have complained that the X button didn’t really close an application rather just minimize it and as a result have sought out for a way to close the applications they did not want to run in the background. This is because it caused the device to run slow, took up ram and ate up the battery. Instead we had to go into the settings and close applications manually to let the system run better. Microsoft never changed it and so manufacturers like HTC and third parties built applications to allow you to do that and allow exceptions to be made for your mail and other applications to continue to run. So really we asked for this, we got it and now we don’t like it?

    As BruceATK said, asking for a simple way to close applications is a LOT different than asking to eliminate multi-tasking. We did NOT ask for this and nobody can spin it like we did.

    What SOME people did complain about was devices running slower, getting out-of-memory errors, etc. Those could be fixed by eliminating multi-tasking. However, Palm's WebOS and Google's Android both support multi-tasking and I don't recall hearing many complaints about those, so why can't Microsoft just do things better?

    By the way, Microsoft DID change things to avoid going into the Memory settings applet to close programs. In WM 6.1, they came out with their own Task Manager. I have it mapped to the touch-and-hold feature of my Omnia's Camera button.

    Cut, Copy And Paste

    I can’t believe I have to write this but here it goes. What!. Of all the things to leave out. Yeah I know, the OS can identify Phone numbers and web addresses, but still, to leave out copy and paste. We all, Microsoft included, made fun of the iPhone for not having this feature and having to wait until the third year to get it. No I don’t use it much but I do use it and it is inexcusable to leave this out. I want to think that they are just telling us this to throw competitors off the trail, but if this is true, I feel it will alienate nearly all the WM users that have a choice. Would this alone stop me from upgrading from WM6.5? Probably not but this combined with the iPhone-esque lock down would. Amazing just amazing.

    Yep, this is a bad joke. We all laughed at Apple, one of the first companies to come out with copy/paste on a PC (in the Lisa, I believe, and in every Mac), for not having copy/paste and now Windows Phone won't support it? Blech.

    To be fair, WM Standard/Smartphone didn't have copy/paste until WM 6.0 or 6.1, either, and then only in limited form. However, I downloaded a nice little program from VITO that allowed me to copy and paste from text entry fields on my Motorola Q and it was a godsend.

    Syncing

    With the new platform Active sync and Mobile device center will be a thing of the past, All I have to say is hooray! While both are an effective (barely) way of syncing most of your content it has never been a complete solution. Especially for those who wanted to sync media as well as PIM and documents. To move to the Zune software and OTA syncing is just better. Now if they would just allow us to explore the device.

    While ActiveSync and Windows Mobile Device Center had their problems, I was usually able to work around them. Syncing to the Internet is fine, but I hope I'll also be able to sync to Outlook, my main PIM. If I have to sync to the Net and have Outlook also sync to the Net to keep my PC and device up to date, that's probably OK most of the time — unless I'm somewhere with no Internet access.

    You also left out a BIG issue — software compatibility. I've read that NO Windows Mobile software will work on Windows Phone 7 (at least not without an emulator). Those of us with lots of WM software will find that a huge impediment to moving to WP 7. Imagine if MIcrosoft said that Windows 7 wouldn't run anything written for Vista or earlier. I think Macintosh sales would have gone through the roof.

    I'm worried that Windows Phone 7, while it may LOOK cool, could end up driving more people to Android or the iPhone.

    Steve

  • http://pocketprimer.com ProfJulie

    I think many of us are taking a wait and see approach.

    WM7 is a radical departure from our beloved windows mobile devices. Since I don't care much for social applications, don't do any gaming on my computer, much less on my windows mobile phone, and primarily use my windows mobile devices to help me manage my working life and productivity, I am having a hard time getting excited about WM7.

  • http://www.svpocketpc.com Pony99CA

    The Interface

    The interface to me makes sense, you have what you need in front of you at all times. All of your content is in related hubs and it has all been formatted in the look of the Zune software, Window Media Center and from what I am told the Xbox. Everything is put into the proper category or hub and can be shared through your email and/or social networks. The tiles, as they are called can be updated live, letting you know at a glance what has changed so you can react to it as needed. Overall I think it is simple, intuitive and powerful.

    I'll have to use it to give a full opinion, but I think Microsoft could have accommodated both finger-friendly and stylus-friendly applications. See my Windows Moble New Year's Resolutions for more information.

    For example, they could have made the Hub interface like the Today screen (with an option to get to the traditional Today screen, too).

    Minimum Hardware Specifications

    With the new OS Microsoft has determined that minimum specifications would be required for WP7S. Part of the problem with the current platform is the widely diverse platforms it is used on and so this prevents a consistent experience with the OS. Varying processors, screen sizes, and amounts of memory, both storage and ram, made some devices more capable then others and so no real way of easily upgrading your device other than new hardware in most cases. This also will ensure we don’t get short changed on things like a headphone jack, a hardware camera button and the like. This is a good thing.

    I think Microsoft always did have “minimum” specs. They included things like an ARM processor, at least so much memory, IR support, etc. back in the day. The problem may be that they didn't update the specs as technology moved on, so new minimum specs is a good thing.

    However, I'm more concerned with the “maximum” specs. From what I've read, Windows Phone will support three chassis specifications — a touch panel (like the iPhone or Omnia), a side slider (like the Touch Pro 2) and maybe a QWERTYbar phone (like the Jack). I'm not sure that's enough.

    One of the big advantages Windows Mobile phones had over the iPhone was the variety of form factors. Three form factors is still better than one, but it looks like Android will probably be the form factor king in the future.

    I also want more buttons on my phone, not fewer. My Omnia's lack of an OK and Back button is very annoying at times.

    Storage and File Access

    Microsoft has said that in this new platform, there will not be user replaceable storage. That minimum specs require at least 8GB of internal storage which for me and probably most is enough. Undoubtedly some will have as much as 32GB or even 64GB of storage for those that need more. The hiccup for most WM fans is that this memory will not be accessible to the user as a USB drive to transfer documents and other items as we have always been able to. That’s right they are doing away with file structure access. Part of this I understand. If you let the average consumer access the file structure of the device they will delete something they shouldn’t. But at least let us access a document folder, don’t shut us out of the whole thing. I have an iPod Touch and this limitation, to me is a real aggravation. To have to use a piece of software or use a FTP to download or upload a file is a pain. Bad Microsoft.

    Bad indeed. I recently had to replace my 8 GB MicroSD card with a 16 GB one to hold more music (plus my GPS maps, etc.) Imagine being told you have to buy a new phone to increase your storage!

    Worse, if your embedded storage fails, guess what — your whole device has to shipped for repair. If your memory card goes bad, you can just replace it (and restore it if you keep it backed up) and be back in business in minutes (hours at worst), not days.

    As for file system access, I have no problem with the way things are in today's Windows Mobile devices. Sure, you can delete stuff, but that's true on a PC, too. And, with WM system files in ROM, even if you deleted them, they came back with a soft reset. I think Microsoft would have been better off just not exposing the file browser. Power users could probably find it, but they usually know what they're doing.

    Installing Applications

    With the new WP7S for most consumers the only way to install an application will be through the market place. While this won’t be a big deal for most consumers who have never used the current platform, this is a drastic break from what WM users are used to. Undoubtedly someone will unlock the devices to allow this but this is what I think is a trade-off for a more stable system. Many of the problems with the stability of WM now is third party applications. My wife uses a Treo 750 running WM6.1 with no installed software at all. She has to do a reset maybe twice a year. Power users understand this consumers do not. So to make sure the application does not cause stability issues, having an approval process is, in my opinion, the right choice. As long as they don’t use it for censorship. For me this could be an issue because I have one piece of software that I side load that likely will never be offered through an app store.

    Again, power users should be able to control their devices. Can you imagine the reaction if Microsoft had said that you could only buy software for Windows 7 from a Microsoft-branded store?

    People install “uncertified” software on their PCs regularly and don't have too many issues. Yes, there are some that have problems, but that's why Microsoft created Restore Points. With enough embedded memory, you could put Restore Points there. (That's a good use for embedded memory.)

    In addition, Microsoft has had an approval process for years. You could get your software certified for Windows Mobile if you wanted to. However, it cost money and most developers being fairly small (or even one-man operations) wouldn't or couldn't.

    Multitasking

    Here is where things really start to get people upset. From what has been revealed, WP7S will not multitask, at least not the way WM has always done it. This, to me, is a mixed bag and really not as big a deal as many think. For years People have complained that the X button didn’t really close an application rather just minimize it and as a result have sought out for a way to close the applications they did not want to run in the background. This is because it caused the device to run slow, took up ram and ate up the battery. Instead we had to go into the settings and close applications manually to let the system run better. Microsoft never changed it and so manufacturers like HTC and third parties built applications to allow you to do that and allow exceptions to be made for your mail and other applications to continue to run. So really we asked for this, we got it and now we don’t like it?

    As BruceATK said, asking for a simple way to close applications is a LOT different than asking to eliminate multi-tasking. We did NOT ask for this and nobody can spin it like we did.

    What SOME people did complain about was devices running slower, getting out-of-memory errors, etc. Those could be fixed by eliminating multi-tasking. However, Palm's WebOS and Google's Android both support multi-tasking and I don't recall hearing many complaints about those, so why can't Microsoft just do things better?

    By the way, Microsoft DID change things to avoid going into the Memory settings applet to close programs. In WM 6.1, they came out with their own Task Manager. I have it mapped to the touch-and-hold feature of my Omnia's Camera button.

    Cut, Copy And Paste

    I can’t believe I have to write this but here it goes. What!. Of all the things to leave out. Yeah I know, the OS can identify Phone numbers and web addresses, but still, to leave out copy and paste. We all, Microsoft included, made fun of the iPhone for not having this feature and having to wait until the third year to get it. No I don’t use it much but I do use it and it is inexcusable to leave this out. I want to think that they are just telling us this to throw competitors off the trail, but if this is true, I feel it will alienate nearly all the WM users that have a choice. Would this alone stop me from upgrading from WM6.5? Probably not but this combined with the iPhone-esque lock down would. Amazing just amazing.

    Yep, this is a bad joke. We all laughed at Apple, one of the first companies to come out with copy/paste on a PC (in the Lisa, I believe, and in every Mac), for not having copy/paste and now Windows Phone won't support it? Blech.

    To be fair, WM Standard/Smartphone didn't have copy/paste until WM 6.0 or 6.1, either, and then only in limited form. However, I downloaded a nice little program from VITO that allowed me to copy and paste from text entry fields on my Motorola Q and it was a godsend.

    Syncing

    With the new platform Active sync and Mobile device center will be a thing of the past, All I have to say is hooray! While both are an effective (barely) way of syncing most of your content it has never been a complete solution. Especially for those who wanted to sync media as well as PIM and documents. To move to the Zune software and OTA syncing is just better. Now if they would just allow us to explore the device.

    While ActiveSync and Windows Mobile Device Center had their problems, I was usually able to work around them. Syncing to the Internet is fine, but I hope I'll also be able to sync to Outlook, my main PIM. If I have to sync to the Net and have Outlook also sync to the Net to keep my PC and device up to date, that's probably OK most of the time — unless I'm somewhere with no Internet access.

    You also left out a BIG issue — software compatibility. I've read that NO Windows Mobile software will work on Windows Phone 7 (at least not without an emulator). Those of us with lots of WM software will find that a huge impediment to moving to WP 7. Imagine if MIcrosoft said that Windows 7 wouldn't run anything written for Vista or earlier. I think Macintosh sales would have gone through the roof.

    I'm worried that Windows Phone 7, while it may LOOK cool, could end up driving more people to Android or the iPhone.

    Steve

  • stevenshytle

    I thank you for this timely article. My fears of WinMo 7 mirror yours and I need a new phone now. I have been using Windows CE since 1.x and have loved the platform, but it seems to hit a dead end. Being on Sprint my choices are narrow to begin with (would it kill them to have WinMo phone with a 1ghz processor?) I thought I would have to “settle” for Touch Pro 2. Android has not matured nor stabilized enough to invest in but I am interested in it, as it does show promise. The other phone-OS choices simply will not work for me.

    This article has helped me see that by “choosing” in stead of “settling” for this phone and WinMo 6.5 actually lets me keep what I like for well into the future and the fact that both Android and Ubuntu seem to have a fun future on the Rhodium platform is icing on the cake. Hopefully by then our fears will have been proved unfounded (insert dream sequence here).

  • badersk

    Thanks for your insights. I always enjoy your comments, I think it is because you know more about the inner workings than I do.
    I agree with you on the software compatability issue, there are programs I have that I either can't or won't live without.
    I read last night where the OS will pause any program you are running and leave it suspended until 1. you recall the program and pick up where you left off 2. the system needs the resources and terminates it. So it's better than I thought but still not true multitasking.

  • badersk

    Yeah I am with you on the Social networking thing. I prefer to do it face to face so I don't use those either. I just hope I have the opportunity to get one in my hands and use it for a couple of weeks to pass final judgement.

  • badersk

    Thanks for your insights. I always enjoy your comments, I think it is because you know more about the inner workings than I do.
    I agree with you on the software compatability issue, there are programs I have that I either can't or won't live without.
    I read last night where the OS will pause any program you are running and leave it suspended until 1. you recall the program and pick up where you left off 2. the system needs the resources and terminates it. So it's better than I thought but still not true multitasking.

  • badersk

    Yeah I am with you on the Social networking thing. I prefer to do it face to face so I don't use those either. I just hope I have the opportunity to get one in my hands and use it for a couple of weeks to pass final judgement.

  • jackie

    wndows 7 keeps exiting out of programs

  • http://pocketprimer.com ProfJulie

    In my opinion, WM7 is an almost complete departure from the Windows Mobile OS we are accustomed to. It will feel like a brand new device that's just been labeled with the windows mobile tag. Today screen plugins, file browsers, registry editors, and all our old workarounds fly out the window with WM7.

    All the niggly things we've complained about, found workarounds for, and waited for OS updates to address are moot now. It is a new operating system, with a new user interface and new software. A whole new playing field, for windows mobile anyway. (Think “New Coke” versus “Coke Classic”)

    WM7 is not designed to appeal to the power user; it is designed to appeal to the average consumer – a much larger market than the power user market. Perhaps WM7 will allow Microsoft to get back some marketshare in the mobile industry. The orientation of the mobile device is different – I think WM7 will feel more like a high powered MP3 player (or entertainment player) that has some productivity options in it and can be used as a phone (kinda like a high powered Zune HD, but perhaps that's an over simplification).

    Power users, and veterans of windows mobile devices should re-set their expectations about this device and look at it as if it is a new device, created by a new company. That's how I plan to approach it anyway.

    I'm looking forward to seeing the finished product. I'm also looking forward to seeing how the finished product evolves and changes in the next couple of years. I've never been an innovator when it comes to purchasing new products, operating systems, etc. I usually wait until the dust has settled and the finished product emerges. I expect I'll do the same with WM7.

  • badersk

    Julie,
    Paul Thorott pretty much says the same thing, it is a complete departure and should be looked at as a new device/OS on the market. As you say, it is a consumer device and we should look at it that way. There has been some new information and I will post updates in a few days

  • http://www.svpocketpc.com Pony99CA

    Yes, I've read that the OS will suspend the program, too. That's what the creaky old Palm OS did and what the iPhone does now. Palm came out with WebOS which multitasks very well from what I've read and, as was noted, the next iPhone release may have multitasking, too. It sounds like Windows Phone is stepping backward in this important way, not forward.

    Why is it important? Well, I've used my Pocket PC as a GPS and was able to play MP3s through my stereo at the same time. Unless Microsoft made some special exceptions for multitasking (like I hear Apple did on the iPhone), you can't do that on WP 7.

    The same would be true of browsing the Web and IMing. If you switch to your browser, your IM client gets suspended. So what's the point?

    Steve

  • http://www.svpocketpc.com Pony99CA

    I've always viewed myself as a “consumer”. I don't really use my Windows Mobile devices for work (other than tracking meetings in it and some business contacts, but I'd have to do that anyway).

    While I agree that it's a new device, much in the way Palm's Pre with WebOS was a departure from the Palm OS, I think Microsoft is stepping backward in many regards instead of forward. I expected WP 7 to have what WM 6+ had PLUS a new interface and new ways to develop software.

    Sure, some programs might not have run, but I didn't expect they'd all be abandoned. Losing multitasking, copy/paste and software compatibility seems like too much to ask. I might be able to accept one of those to get a better overall experience, but not all three.

    Saying that we should “reset our expectations” is fine, but that doesn't mean that our needs have changed. We can view this as a new OS (which it more or less is), but it's not from a different company. In fact, “Windows Phone” was used with WM 6.5, so even the “new” name isn't really new and I'd expect some carry-over. Microsoft didn't completely rebrand the OS like Palm did with WebOS.

    That said, if WP 7 is what Project Pink was supposed to be, and if Microsoft still supports and enhances WM 6.5+ (maybe as Windows Phone Starter — although that seems like a poor choice of names; Windows Phone Classic would be better), then the old WM people won't have anything to complain about. We'll still have our familiar WM devices plus Microsoft will have a whole new market to go after with WP 7.

    Steve

  • badersk

    Steve,
    I think you are right, the key for us how well wm classic, or what ever they decide to call it, continues to be developed and supported. If they continue to let it stagnate, more and more will move on to other platforms. I still want to see what they do for the enterprise users on the new platform.

    Sent from my mobile device

  • heybhouse

    personally, i’m counting down to march 24 to buy my hd2 from t-mobile (then unlock it). i’m sure i’ll be hanging around xda-developers. iphone was tempting but too dated (needs hardware upgrade) and wm7 not being backward compatible means i’m in no hurry to move to it.

  • Frankenbike

    If it's such a departure, they should have come up with a completely new name for it, instead of an incremented version of the previous OS. My understanding is that they'll “support” 6.5x, but they are surely not going to “enhance” it in any way. At some point, you will NOT see any new WM 6.5.x phones.

    If they had a new name for the the system, they could keep up-incrementing 6.5. But since the WM platform has always had scarce resources, who in their right mind could imagine them working on two phone platforms at the same time. We've been abandoned with our years long collections of software, and we owe MS nothing. If it's a clean break, it'll be evaluated on its own merits, not as a continuation of “Windows Mobile”. I don't know a single other person IRL using WinMo today. Everyone I did know using it has moved to iPhones and Android.

  • Frankenbike

    The iPhone is a “consumer device”. Yet I know a LOT of people who are professionals using it. Including IT people. The fallacy of claiming that optimization for Microsoft Office makes something “Enterprise” is laughable. The people I know who aren't using iPhones (and lately Android) have Blackberries. Hell, in my last job in a major corporate environment, the executives had the “privilege” of NOT having smart phones. They did everything with voice on regular phones. And preferred it that way, so they could ignore people or give them terse answers instead of facing huge emails and dealing with all the other “noise” communication you get in a corporate environment.

  • jimtravis

    My sentiments exactly. I am not a gamer, minimal social networking use, and MS took away many of the features I enjoyed using in WM. Sad day for us power users. Hate to say it, but it may be hello Android, goodbye WM unless MS comes to its senses from a power user pov..

  • jimtravis

    I don't remember ever having to close applications due to slowdowns etc, but since others have, it must be a problem. One of my favorite utilities for WM over the years is Spb Pocket Plus. One of the many features of that utility is setting what you want the X button to do including close with a tap, minimize with a tap-and-hold, or vice versa. I also noticed many of the recent version 3rd party apps have a file close option in their menu selections like their desktop cousins. MS could have easily implemented something similar with the default being close, but have it user selectable for us power users to have tap mean minimize.

    I understand why MS made the changes they did to compete in today's mobile market. Unfortunately, from my perspective, the pendulum has swung too far in the direction of how cool, animated, and slick the UI is vs. does the device do what you need quickly, reliably, and with a minimum of input strokes. The press, both mainstream and tech, have also gone gaga over how slick the UI is, and rarely mention any technical shortcomings problems as long as the UI is slick.

    You did mention in your article about internet browsing. Yes, Pocket IE was old, but fortunately there are a number of fine alternate browsers available. I prefer the mobile web on devices with a <7″ screen. Ironically, some of the best browsers for the mobile web are the older versions of the much maligned Pocket IE. You could adjust the text size, and the pages would reflow so no horizontal scrolling was needed. If you wanted the full web occasionally,, NetFront, and Opera offered nice alternatives, and of course Skyfire does indeed deliver the full web. In 2006 using NetFront 3.2 / 3.3, I logged into my bank site, checked payments etc, and viewed copies of cancelled checks using NetFront. The bank did not have a mobile version of their site at the time.

    Mobile Safari is indeed an excellent browser for multi-column pages. For me, all that scrolling, zooming, and panning get old quickly, hence my preference for the mobile web on devices with small screens. Safari can have serious problems with single column pages such as forums posts, and Craigslist. On some single column pages, the font is too small to read,in portrait mode, and is barely readable in landscape mode. You can always pinch zoom; however, pinch zoom does not reflow the text so horizontal scrolling is required for each line which gets very old after about 2 lines. Your choice is reading a page with an uncomfortably small font, or horizontal scrolling each line. You can use bookmarklets on each page to increase the text size, and reflow the text. This is a pain,since it has to be done for each offending pages. Also,since the iPhone / iPod touch are consumer devices, your average consumer will not know about bookmarklets, and suffer when viewing some single column pages.

    I am hoping MS comes to its senses, and restores many of the feature us power users have come to love over the years, I may purchase a T-Mobile HD2, but unless MS comes to its senses, that will probably be my last WM device.

  • jimtravis

    My sentiments exactly. I am not a gamer, minimal social networking use, and MS took away many of the features I enjoyed using in WM. Sad day for us power users. Hate to say it, but it may be hello Android, goodbye WM unless MS comes to its senses from a power user pov..

  • jimtravis

    I don't remember ever having to close applications due to slowdowns etc, but since others have, it must be a problem. One of my favorite utilities for WM over the years is Spb Pocket Plus. One of the many features of that utility is setting what you want the X button to do including close with a tap, minimize with a tap-and-hold, or vice versa. I also noticed many of the recent version 3rd party apps have a file close option in their menu selections like their desktop cousins. MS could have easily implemented something similar with the default being close, but have it user selectable for us power users to have tap mean minimize.

    I understand why MS made the changes they did to compete in today's mobile market. Unfortunately, from my perspective, the pendulum has swung too far in the direction of how cool, animated, and slick the UI is vs. does the device do what you need quickly, reliably, and with a minimum of input strokes. The press, both mainstream and tech, have also gone gaga over how slick the UI is, and rarely mention any technical shortcomings problems as long as the UI is slick.

    You did mention in your article about internet browsing. Yes, Pocket IE was old, but fortunately there are a number of fine alternate browsers available. I prefer the mobile web on devices with a <7″ screen. Ironically, some of the best browsers for the mobile web are the older versions of the much maligned Pocket IE. You could adjust the text size, and the pages would reflow so no horizontal scrolling was needed. If you wanted the full web occasionally,, NetFront, and Opera offered nice alternatives, and of course Skyfire does indeed deliver the full web. In 2006 using NetFront 3.2 / 3.3, I logged into my bank site, checked payments etc, and viewed copies of cancelled checks using NetFront. The bank did not have a mobile version of their site at the time.

    Mobile Safari is indeed an excellent browser for multi-column pages. For me, all that scrolling, zooming, and panning get old quickly, hence my preference for the mobile web on devices with small screens. Safari can have serious problems with single column pages such as forums posts, and Craigslist. On some single column pages, the font is too small to read,in portrait mode, and is barely readable in landscape mode. You can always pinch zoom; however, pinch zoom does not reflow the text so horizontal scrolling is required for each line which gets very old after about 2 lines. Your choice is reading a page with an uncomfortably small font, or horizontal scrolling each line. You can use bookmarklets on each page to increase the text size, and reflow the text. This is a pain,since it has to be done for each offending pages. Also,since the iPhone / iPod touch are consumer devices, your average consumer will not know about bookmarklets, and suffer when viewing some single column pages.

    I am hoping MS comes to its senses, and restores many of the feature us power users have come to love over the years, I may purchase a T-Mobile HD2, but unless MS comes to its senses, that will probably be my last WM device.

  • jmaz

    What you guys asked for. No?

    I am not too exited about the WP7s where Microsoft has been forced by the so called tech blogosphere literati to go retro a la Apple iPhone. These text and menu challenged reviewers have rejected the still strong WinMo 6 OS platform with silly chants such as “nobody wants it,” “it is anemic,” “it is outdated,” “it is a dead OS,” “it is too hard to lift the stylus out of my pocket,” etc. Of course, what they really mean is “it is not flashy,” “it is not visually gunky,” “it is not eye candish.” Now, I ask you what does any of this haveto do with productivity.When you get your WPs7 phone I want you to tell me what it is that it will do that you won't be able to do on a WinMo 6 (now Classic) phone. Or better yet ,what will it be able to do substantially better than WinMo Classic.

    WPs7 will go retro a la iPhone. It will have no cutting and pasting, no multitasking, no customization, no replaceable memory storage card, no freedom to buy software from independent developers but only from Microsost's apps store, no backward compatibility, no auto apps update, no inter communication between apps, no database engine, no sinificant enterprise support and on and on.This is Microsoft's version of “platform lockdown.” What you guys asked for. Why buy into WP7s when we already have Apple's vision
    of mobile computing future?

    Some years ago, audio gears manufacturers came out with claims and boasts about their new technical advances in audio reproduction by simply shuffling the buttons, knobs,and switches on their audio gear around. It turns out that except for digital audio storage and minor reproduction improvements, the CD, there still does not exists a consensus as to what is a good audio reproduction. It will be the same thing with the Windows phone evolution. Microsoft is rearanging things around so that it can be more palatable to the average joe and the average tech blogger.Once Microsoft showed a supposedly new OS with a lot of whiz-bang visual debris this crowd was appeased into releasing its self-generated pent up expectations .Now, they are starting to whine again when Microsoft serves them the dish that they asked for.

    To those who will buy the HTC HD2, enjoy WM6 and its power on the HTC HD2 while it is still a viable OS because even if it drops to .5% of use in the market it will still be a strong portable computing OS and some people will get some productive use out of it, especially those who understood its power and are not impressed by overly flashy visual gunk.

  • Wes

    You're not going to buy iPhone, or Android, and probably not WP7S. There's not much left! Samsung Bada? Nokia MeeGo? (Actually MeeGo will probably be quite good).

    WP7S is a bitter disappointment. It's taken the worst features of iPhone (eg app approval), but without the best features (eg applications). When iPhone version #1 had no stereo Bluetooth or Copy/Paste, people bought it anyway because 3 years ago that multitouch interface was so different that people wanted an iPhone anyway. Microsoft won't get such grace, as the multitouch interface is now standard, in fact, mandatory.

    How will Microsoft have any success with WP7S, when basic features will be missing from the first generation. Must we wait until the second generation before the WP7S handsets become usable?

    I don't think it's a locked-down platform with an app approval process for the reason of making things stable. Are Android/webOS/Maemo that unstable? No. Microsoft has seen Apple making a pile of money from its locked app store, and wants to do the same. And yes, Microsoft will censor it. What if there's a porn app? What about stumbler/war driving apps? Remember DVD Jon of Norway. What if someone like DVD Jon made an app that upset Microsoft's hardware partners? You think MS will allow it? Nope. Censorship will come to WP7S. No doubt about it. A lot of former, happy, Windows Mobile users will be disenfranchised from WP7S.

  • Wes

    Did Microsoft say it will continue to “develop” Windows Mobile as a business platform? I only heard that Microsoft will “support” it for some years to come. What does support mean? A bug fix or two? A minor interface tweak? I don't think any major WP7S features will be backported to Windows Mobile.

    Windows Mobile is stagnating, crumbling. Well, developers have abandoned it. It's pretty obvious to everyone that WM is at the end of its life. We've seen Adobe abandon WinMo, and Skype withdraw its software. The platform won't sustain too much of that. OEMs are reducing the number of WinMo handsets they make.

    You know? Microsoft really mishandled it. They cut loose the enterprise market, trying to chase the consumer market. Windows Mobile still has around 8% of all new handset sales, which is still more than Android. Microsoft is throwing this 8% away. I do not think WP7S will ever achieve 8% of the market, so WP7S will not gain the market that WinMo already has today.

  • http://www.svpocketpc.com Pony99CA

    Yep, if there's no real Windows Mobile anymore, I'll probably switch to Android, too. I don't do socail networking or tweeting, so those don't matter to me (and, if they did, Windows Mobile could support them anyway).

    I'll probably stick with my Onmia as long as I can, then check out Windows Phone, Android and maybe WebOS (if Palm is still around). But Microsoft's job of keeping me as a customer just got more difficult — and not because of what the competition has done, but because of what Microsoft appears to be doing now.

    Steve

  • http://www.svpocketpc.com Pony99CA

    If it's such a departure, they should have come up with a completely new name for it, instead of an incremented version of the previous OS.

    That's what I'm saying. They bought Danger, so they could have branded this with some Sidekick/Hiptop name. What will be “Windows” about it, other than maybe Office and Outlook?

    My understanding is that they'll “support” 6.5x, but they are surely not going to “enhance” it in any way. At some point, you will NOT see any new WM 6.5.x phones.

    And that's what I'm afraid of. They seem to have left Windows Phone 6.x at a dead end. Even if they hadn't, I'm not sure that I could see Microsoft developing two mobile operating systems. They were trying to converge WM Standard and WM Professional, so diverging with two completely different platforms seems unlikely.

    Steve

  • http://www.svpocketpc.com Pony99CA

    OK, but what does that have to do with Windows Phone 7?

    Steve

  • http://www.svpocketpc.com Pony99CA

    You're not going to buy iPhone, or Android, and probably not WP7S. There's not much left! Samsung Bada? Nokia MeeGo? (Actually MeeGo will probably be quite good).

    It's interesting that you mentioned two relatively new operating systems instead of two leaders like BlackBerry and Symbian. ;)

    Steve

  • http://www.svpocketpc.com Pony99CA

    Yep, if there's no real Windows Mobile anymore, I'll probably switch to Android, too. I don't do socail networking or tweeting, so those don't matter to me (and, if they did, Windows Mobile could support them anyway).

    I'll probably stick with my Onmia as long as I can, then check out Windows Phone, Android and maybe WebOS (if Palm is still around). But Microsoft's job of keeping me as a customer just got more difficult — and not because of what the competition has done, but because of what Microsoft appears to be doing now.

    Steve

  • http://www.svpocketpc.com Pony99CA

    If it's such a departure, they should have come up with a completely new name for it, instead of an incremented version of the previous OS.

    That's what I'm saying. They bought Danger, so they could have branded this with some Sidekick/Hiptop name. What will be “Windows” about it, other than maybe Office and Outlook?

    My understanding is that they'll “support” 6.5x, but they are surely not going to “enhance” it in any way. At some point, you will NOT see any new WM 6.5.x phones.

    And that's what I'm afraid of. They seem to have left Windows Phone 6.x at a dead end. Even if they hadn't, I'm not sure that I could see Microsoft developing two mobile operating systems. They were trying to converge WM Standard and WM Professional, so diverging with two completely different platforms seems unlikely.

    Steve

  • http://www.svpocketpc.com Pony99CA

    OK, but what does that have to do with Windows Phone 7?

    Steve

  • http://www.svpocketpc.com Pony99CA

    You're not going to buy iPhone, or Android, and probably not WP7S. There's not much left! Samsung Bada? Nokia MeeGo? (Actually MeeGo will probably be quite good).

    It's interesting that you mentioned two relatively new operating systems instead of two leaders like BlackBerry and Symbian. ;)

    Steve

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