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Originally posted by Jwilker
He's right Ike it was. In order for the bible to be correct you have to remove the real definition of a day (as defined by earths rotation) and guess at the length of God's day. It's all in how you interpret it, you're interpretting it wrong :D
Actually, yes. I never have been able to figure out how people believe the creative days to be literal 24 hour days... when at the time the days occurred... there WERE NO literal 24 hour days.
When the Bible states that "1000 years is as but a day"... to me that should leave pretty obvious room for consideration that God wasn't here discussing a literal 24 hour day. While I do admit that some creationists literalize the Genesis account... I never have understood the willingness on both sides to actually believe it. There is absolutely nothing in Genesis itself that would lend to that understanding of the scripture.
Since there is such a demand for factual data here:
RANDOM HOUSE WEBSTER'S COLLEGIATE DICTIONARY
DAY. 1. an interval of light between two successive nights. 2. the light of day. daylight. 3. a division of time equal to 24 hours. 4. an analogous division of time for a planet other than the earth. 5. the portion of the day allotted to work. 6. a day having a particular purpose or observance. 7. a time considered as pripitious or opportune. 8. a partiular era. 9. a period of activity 10. period of existence or influence.
There were 3 additional usage definitions which were grammatical rather than actual definitions. You'll note that in the above 10 definitions, only one (#3) referred to an actual 24 hour period. Definition #1, could refer to an Alaskan day of 6 months (as could #2). The definitions as applies to the Bible is most applicable as definitions #5, 7, 8 and 9.
Therefore, I fail to understand this continued and unfactual insistance to ascribe a literal 24 hour day to the Genesis account. I think it's something Bible critics hold on to out of intentional malice... because I see them continue to use this argument even after it's been proven wrong.
Which ones are those? THe ones who blow up abortion clinics? shoot abortion docters, attack other countries to "save" them? Oh wait those weren't evolutionist actions were they? :)
Was it creationists who invented the atomic bomb? Do evolutionists murder and commit crimes? Evolutionists aren't innocent in such things.
I will admit that religion has a vast history of abuses. There are real dangers in religious fanaticism. That doesn't mean that all creationists are fanatics-- any more than an evolutionist committing a crime means that all evolutionists are criminals.
Guys, do you see how hollow these arguments you present prove to be? They just do not stand up to close, rational examination.
With God in our lives why would we need to advance scientifically. Once we're all saved and living the blessed life who cares to invent new technologies, ways of doing things?
Because that's part of the gift God gives man-- to better himself, to explore, to himself create things. Just because I believe in God and creation doesn't mean I'm gonna lay down and expect God to do everything for me. I mean, duh. :p
It may not go down like that at all, but the most recent model of a religious regime ruling I'm not comfortable taking the chance.
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Now here's an interesting point (and I'm not sure what good it's going to do to present this here): but the Bible foretold that in the last days, there would be a plethora of false religions that would claim to follow God and Christ, but would actually be "workers of lawlessness". It states this would be the case with the vast majority, for "narrow is the road leading to life, and few are the ones finding it, but broad and spacious is the pathway leading to destruction, and many are the ones taking it."
In fact, a very major Biblical prophecy deals with God's final dealings with false religious organizations-- and is the prophecy I'm looking for, which will signal the beginning of judgement day (which, for the record, is not a literal 24 hours either).
So CJ... are you correct in your opinion regarding religion in general? Yes. In fact, I agree. I've even stated so repeatedly here on this thread.
That doesn't mean, however, that the Bible itself is wrong, nor that there is no God. It just means that man has abused religion-- just as he's abused science.