silverpilot03

Sorry if old, http://www.phatware.com/press/pr060201.html

cricmate

w00t. waiting for it.............

Kazkin

personal thought:

since having a WM5 device ...the built in transcriber have make me feel having CALIGRAPHER is redundance.

both are very similar except for caligrapher's extra bells & whistles that I personally don;t really need... but...that's just one man's opinion ;)

myrcgarage

I haven't tried caligrapher yet. I want to see how the new version works out. If it is much better than the built-in transcriber, I might give it a try.

However, I have been experimenting(or timing) how fast I can tap/write using the built-in keyboard(large not small keys), letter recognizer, transcriber and Tengo. I feel that the built-in keyboard is the fastest so far.

I don't have really bad handwriting, however, if you are lazy sometimes or write a bit too fast, letter recongnizer and transcriber may interpret one or 2 characters wrong. Then, you have to go back to correct them. That makes it time consuming.

Tengo: I got the 1.3.2 version that works with WM5(I think there is a small memory leak still). The concept of Tengo is good, however, I have to watch what it predicts. If the first word is not what I want, then I have to go through the list to tap on the right one. That part is time consuming. It learns from your selection, that is true. However, this is a good example that it is not working well. Let's say I want to say "I want to go...", Tengo will predict "go" as "do". So, I selected "go" from the list. Next time, when I type the same sentence again, it will pick "go" as my first choice. That is good. However, now, I am typing "I want to do...", I will have to select "do" from the list since "go" was my first choice. So, it is swapping the words back and forth.

Therefore, after trying the experiement for about a few hours, I think the built-in keyboard is the fastest.

Please let us know how the new version of transcriber works.

Haesslich

I've used the WM5 Transcriber, and find that Calligrapher is a LOT more accurate with my handwriting than the Transcriber is - for the former, I have to write the way it wants me to, as if I was using Graffiti, and it honestly wasn't all that good at reading my writing. With Calligrapher, at least I can train it to read the way I write, rather than the way the program wants me to write, and it actually gets better at recognizing my writing over time. Plus, I find it easier to interact with the word-list application that comes when I have it and PhatSpell installed, since usually what I wrote down is either filled in automatically or in the first list.

The built-in keyboard works, but it's a bit of a pain for me to peck at the small keypad that it presents, and I use the keyboard function mostly for passwords or other case-sensitive entries. Plus, Calligrapher has a very nice built-in keyboard SIP which is easily accessed by hitting the 'keyboard' button in the toolbar it provides, and that keyboard has instant access to foreign letters, and is also tied into the word-replacement feature that comes with Calligrapher.

Basically, if you don't mind writing like you have Graffiti (well, a worse version of Graffiti), then Transcriber or Block Recognizer entry will probably take care of your needs. As for myself, I find it somewhat faster to enter things with Calligrapher than with Transcriber or Block Recognizer - I've spent 15 minutes trying to enter with keyboard and Transcriber what took me about 2-4 minutes to scribble in with a properly trained Calligrapher SIP; most of my time was spent correcting the mistakes or trying to back up after previous (inaccurate) entries in the former case, and I switched between the keyboard and Transcriber as I found one wasn't very accurate... and the other (keyboard) was very slow.

Kazkin

Originally Posted by myrcgarage

Tengo: I got the 1.3.2 version that works with WM5..

I also love TenGo sip...

website says TenGO v1.30 (aug 11/2005)

where did you obtained v1.32 ??? :)

cricmate

After using Calligrapher for a day I thought this too. But then I kept using it, and it gradually became better and better recognizing my handwriting. Now I know I spend money on a good software, its way faster than other input methods I tried so far.

Originally Posted by Kazkin

personal thought: since having a WM5 device ...the built in transcriber have make me feel having CALIGRAPHER is redundance. both are very similar except for caligrapher's extra bells & whistles that I personally don;t really need... but...that's just one man's opinion ;)

Haesslich

Originally Posted by cricmate

After using Calligrapher for a day I thought this too. But then I kept using it, and it gradually became better and better recognizing my handwriting. Now I know I spend money on a good software, its way faster than other input methods I tried so far.

Indeed - at the beginning, it'll be just like Transcriber.. and Transcriber really doesn't learn all that well. You learn to write the way Transcriber will let you, and hope that it doesn't make too many mistakes. With Calligrapher, it eventually figures out what you write as an L or as an M as you keep writing, and usually you can find what you wrote on the first or second word match list, if it didn't suggest what you wrote as its first choice.

One hint - use the Write Pad to train Calligrapher - it works a lot better this way, at least for me, due to the menu bar which appears at the top of the pad, allowing you access to the far nicer keyboard that comes with the application.

myrcgarage

Originally Posted by Haesslich

Indeed - at the beginning, it'll be just like Transcriber.. and Transcriber really doesn't learn all that well. You learn to write the way Transcriber will let you, and hope that it doesn't make too many mistakes. With Calligrapher, it eventually figures out what you write as an L or as an M as you keep writing, and usually you can find what you wrote on the first or second word match list, if it didn't suggest what you wrote as its first choice. One hint - use the Write Pad to train Calligrapher - it works a lot better this way, at least for me, due to the menu bar which appears at the top of the pad, allowing you access to the far nicer keyboard that comes with the application.

I will download the trial version to try it out. On another note, what are the differences between PhatPad and PhatNotes. To me, they are the same thing. I must be wrong.

Haesslich

Originally Posted by myrcgarage

I will download the trial version to try it out. On another note, what are the differences between PhatPad and PhatNotes. To me, they are the same thing. I must be wrong.

It'll take about two weeks to fully train Calligrapher - after that, it'll be a LOT better at recognition than Transcriber is. You can look at the letter shapes to get you started, or disable certain shapes if you want, but I'd suggest keeping all the shapes on to begin, and using the WritePad about 20 minutes a day, or more if you want to, with a mix of long and short words to train it up. There'll be noticeable improvement after about 4-5 days of regular use though.. and in the beginning, I spent about a half-hour a day just writing out random words just to get it to recognize my R's and V's, since they tend to look similar.

PhatNotes is a replacement for the Notes application in WM - it sorts things by databases, if you want it to, and you can set renminders on notes pretty easily. PhatPad is more of a sketchpad than anything - you can also, if you have Calligrapher installed, transcribe scribbled notes into actual text notes as well.

At the start of the New Year, PhatWare had a $13.95 sale on everything, so I picked them up then. :D

psionandy

Originally Posted by Haesslich

It'll take about two weeks to fully train Calligrapher - after that, it'll be a LOT better at recognition than Transcriber is. ...... At the start of the New Year, PhatWare had a $13.95 sale on everything, so I picked them up then. :D

Me too.... And after reading the manual (something of a first for me and software) I'm liking it more and more.

Like everything, practive is important, at the same time as it is adapting to you, you are adapting to it

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myrcgarage

Can PocketBreeze display PhatNotes in the Note tab? Can it be synced with Outlook?(confused on this one after reading on this forum) Should I get PhatNotes or PhatPad or both if I decide to purchase Calligrapher?

psionandy

Phatnotes Standard can sync with outlook... Phatnotes Pro requires its own (bundled) desktop program.


Try the demos of both.. but i'd probably go for phatpad

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Haesslich

Originally Posted by myrcgarage

Can PocketBreeze display PhatNotes in the Note tab? Can it be synced with Outlook?(confused on this one after reading on this forum) Should I get PhatNotes or PhatPad or both if I decide to purchase Calligrapher?

If you get Phatnotes Professional, it'll sync with the desktop version of PhatNotes, which is also included with the Pro purchase. I currently run PhatPad and PhatNotes in PocketBreeze as custom tabs, and I'd suggest picking up PhatNotes over PhatPad myself - I picked up PhatPad because it was on sale, but don't use it nearly as much as PhatNotes.

However, PhatPad does provide a virtual sketchpad, which can be QUITE useful for drawing maps or diagrams. If you need to do anything like that, or foresee a need to do so in the future, pick it up in the bundle.

myrcgarage

would you prefer pro or standard?