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Old 03-02-06, 04:30 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Opera 8.5 beta 2 released!!!!

Get it from http://www.opera.com/products/mobile.../winmobileppc/

See http://my.opera.com/community/forums....dml?id=127518 for more info.

Will post a thorough review soon :)
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Old 03-02-06, 04:52 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Thanks for the update
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Old 03-02-06, 05:33 AM   #3 (permalink)
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first impressions:
Google loads ok
the speed on wm2k3se improved (even further)
the tabs load quite easily and with speed. no problems on closing tabs whatsoever.
the keyboard is now popping up when the cursor is placed inside a form

problem with right-to-left languages: the words are appeare correct but the sentences appear left to write:
as if i was writing: "writing was i if as"
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Old 03-02-06, 05:38 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Ooooooooo. Much better this time! The tabs are quite nice (better visibly than MultiIE). Still comparing other details...
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Here's my review of the new version:

Even the first beta version of Opera was a real relevation for the Pocket PC community. Much as it had several bugs (particularly on pre-Windows Mobile 5 devices), it has quickly become the browser of choice for many Pocket PC users (including me), at least on Windows Mobile 5.

The new version is, speed-wise, clearly the best browser I've ever seen for the Pocket PC. It's much-much faster than the alternatives. You'll certainly love it!

The good

* The WM2003(SE) version seems to be working great: I haven't encountered the infamous Opera-is-stalled bug under pre-WM5 operating system any more. I've tested the new version of Opera with all the test pages (the search facility at http://www.europe.com/en/ - screenshot here; RedHotPawn) that make the previous version stall at once. No problems encountered so far.

This may be related to the fact that now Opera senses some Web servers' not answering – see this and this message.

A iPAQ 2210 screenshot can be seen here and here (the latter taken at 25% zoom level so that the entire chessboard is visible) – as can be seen, as opposed to b1, I could log in and play on my iPAQ 2210 as well.

* It feels much faster than beta1, which is a feat in itself because beta 1 was already much faster than any alternative browser.

* There's tab support! (See the screenshots provided for examples.)

* The bug related to not being able to display loooooong pages is fixed. It worked great with all the pages I've thrown it at; an example screenshot of Tero Lehto's blog is here.

* Much as the new version is still using custom (non-native) GUI components, one of the biggest problems, that is, the text areas hiding the last characters in each row behind the scrollbar, is fixed as can be seen in here.

* The "You have XX days left of your trial period" dialog is no longer displayed at startup.

(There must be tons of other bugfixes, as far as previous beta1 bugs are concerned; these were the ones I've explicitly tested and compared to beta1.)

The bad

* After scrolling a page with any amount (or going to a new page), you will not be able to directly tap-and-hold a link to bring up the context menu (so that you can open the link in a new tab) without the need for at least partially highlight it (or the text that contains it). Fortunately, this is a minor annoyance and you'll quickly learn how to highlight (part) the link without clicking it.

* The new version is still using custom GUI components, which makes it impossible to use any kind of common Windows keyboard shortcuts. This is a mayor annoyance to anybody using an external keyboard to enter a lot of texts and wanting to use the traditional Windows shortcuts to quickly navigate through / highlight / copy/cut/paste text in the text input components.

* On some Pocket PC's (for example, the Pocket Loox 720) the new version still uses non-proportional Courier New fonts in the address bar / in the tab titles. This is a minor annoyance, though.

* Unfortunately, the settings dialogs (screenshot 1 and 2) are as simple as in beta1. The latter, however, now has a new checkbox, " Set Opera as default browser", which makes it unnecessary to manually import a registry file (please see the articles in the Recommended links section for the registry import file I've created for beta1 to revert the default browser assignments) in order to revert back to using Pocket Internet Explorer (if you make Opera the default Web browser on your Pocket PC).

Nevertheless, the lack of detailed settings dialogs are not a problem – with manually editing (or, downloading my sample configuration files) the main configuration files of Opera, you can fine-tune it (scrollbar visibility, proxy usage, scroll behaviour etc).

* Under WM2003, Menu/Display/Landscape still doesn't rotate the viewport. Again, this would be pretty easy to implement because Opera, unlike for example the Pocket Internet Explorer (PIE) plug-ins or almost all ( uBook and Mobipocket Reader being the most important exceptions) e-book readers, doesn't need to rely on the Portrait-only, underlying PIE engine. This is a minor problem though and "only" affecting WM2003 users – screen rotation works great in post-WM2003 operating systems.

* Still no advanced context menus (copy link, save image), no in-page searching etc. These are, however, only minor annoyances, which don't have a negative effect on the browsing experience itself.

* Still no " One Column" view mode like that of PIE starting with WM2003SE or the PIE plug-in PIEPlus (see this review on the latest version of latter, including a detailed comparison of the "one column" modes offered by PIE and PIEPlus). This would be very useful to maximize the usage of the available screen estate on many pages; for example, the XDA-Dev forums (example screenshot of Opera 8.5b2 rendering the latter here – as can be seen, the useful contents of the page only occupies about 65-70% of the available horizontal screen estate. With a real "One Column" mode, it'd be close to 100%).

* Still no support for system-level favourites. This would also be really easy to implement as there's nothing particular about the .url files in \Windows\Favorites – they're really-really easy to process. (I'd say a hour's work for an average C++ programmer.)

Verdict

I can only use superlatives when speaking of this application. Despite its (still) missing functionalities, its speed and compatibility is just phenomenal.

Recommended links

The following articles/tips all discuss/are all related to the previous, beta 1 version. Note that some of their contents is now that they are fixed are outdated. They may still be worth checking out - particularly the ones on manually editing the Opera configuration files. You'll find a lot of information in these articles never published by anyone else.

ESSENTIAL (NEW, UNIQUE BUGFIXES!!!) to know about the great Web browser, Opera beta! - I haven't run into the same problem with the new Opera version – yet. This doesn't necessarily mean it doesn't exist any more – therefore, if the address bar auto-completion crashes your Pocket PC with beta2 too, make sure you read this article.

Modify the default scrolling behaviour of Pocket PC Web browsers. Note that even the beta 2 of Opera uses jump-by-link by default (on all operating systems, not just WM5), as far as its D-pad navigation is concerned; you will most probably want to override this and switch to the 'scroll a page at a time' behaviour. Note that the new scroll a page feature (invokable via the Space key) only works on devices with a built-in keyboard; for example, on the HTC Wizard (screenshot of Opera running on my HTC Wizard here).

Opera 8.5 beta on WM5 - it is certainly different from the WM2003(SE) version and is working GREAT!

WM5 compliance report: the bandwidth reduction service OnSpeed works pretty good; additional Toonel information – this article will be useful for everyone that wants to configure his or her Opera to access the Web sites through a HTTP proxy.

Pocket PC version of Famous Web Browser, Opera 8.5 beta Officially Released!
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I tried to install the last beta on my x51v and it just hung on the install and messed up my machine. I don't know why but do you think I am safer to try again with this new beta?
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try it. it's much better
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Good stuff!!

Any way I can move the folder "Opera" from My Device\Application Data to my storage card? It'd be nice if I could move the cache from there to somewhere else. I know its gonna be slower from the storage card but its always better to have the option.
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I run 'font on storage' and it is causing the font to incorrect. So when I go to hotmail and try to type in my account name the @ is inputed as a with .. on top of the a (don't know how to change the input on my keyboard to display the correct symbol)
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Under WM2003, Menu/Display/Landscape still doesn't rotate the viewport. Again, this would be pretty easy to implement because Opera, unlike for example the Pocket Internet Explorer (PIE) plug-ins or almost all ( uBook and Mobipocket Reader being the most important exceptions) e-book readers, doesn't need to rely on the Portrait-only, underlying PIE engine. This is a minor problem though and "only" affecting WM2003 users – screen rotation works great in post-WM2003 operating systems
Thanks for saving me the trouble of checking it out...
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Originally Posted by akheron
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Any way I can move the folder "Opera" from My Device\Application Data to my storage card? It'd be nice if I could move the cache from there to somewhere else. I know its gonna be slower from the storage card but its always better to have the option.
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how do i completely avoid using a flash-cache, and only have the cache in ram again? i did this in the last beta
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If, I'm understanding your question, just install Opera using the default path. Even when you specify another install path, Opera still puts most of what it needs in main memory. I'm trusting that Opera will fix this in the final release along with the annoying default browser message.

I've decided those two annoyances are opera's way of making sure we migrate out of beta as soon as possible.

Has anyone tried all the tweaks from beta1. Do they work in beta2? I'm assuming I'll be editing my ini files this evening.
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which part exactly are you referring to? thats the mail client review..
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just realised double clicking (tapping?) opens a new tab :)
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