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Old 05-31-06, 05:45 PM   #16 (permalink)
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What about the free beta? Will we be able to use that, or is that going to expire. I checked mine and it still works fine.
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Old 05-31-06, 08:19 PM   #17 (permalink)
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does it crush everything down and reduce bandwith like opera mini? if not ill keep using the free opera mini and netfront when i want the full blown browser
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Old 06-01-06, 02:57 AM   #18 (permalink)
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does it crush everything down and reduce bandwith like opera mini? if not ill keep using the free opera mini and netfront when i want the full blown browser
Nope, it doesn't. But you can always use Toonel to greatly reduce bandwidth usage - see my tutorial at http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/men...reToonel45.asp if interested.
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Old 06-01-06, 02:58 AM   #19 (permalink)
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What about the free beta? Will we be able to use that, or is that going to expire. I checked mine and it still works fine.
It should expire today.
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Old 06-01-06, 02:59 AM   #20 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Eric12341
that is much harder to do than changing a registry entry I don't wanna beat down my flashrom with that
You can't mess up your device fatally (with a paperweight as a result) by simply relocating any cache, let it be that of NetFront, Opera Mini or PIE/IEM.
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Old 06-01-06, 03:01 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by OUBeaver
Why isn't it free like all the other ports? (desktop, mobile phone, etc...)
Well, it's quite understandable if you look at the alternative Pocket PC browsers and/or PIE/IEM plug-ins (except for Opera Mini, the freeware and pretty incapable Webby and the non-WM5-compliant ftxPBrowser): they all cost at least $15. NetFront even costs $30.

On the desktop, they have much more fierce competition - prolly this is why they offer their desktop browser for free.
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Old 06-01-06, 03:04 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Is the 8.60 much better than b2 for WM2003SE devices?
MUCH better. I haven't found a single bug so far, and the new, long-awaited Single column mode is pretty good.

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Of all days, I forget to bring my sync cable to work. Grumble... have to wait till I get home to try this out.
You can also transfer the installer CAB file to your PDA with a standard card reader.
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Old 06-01-06, 03:30 AM   #23 (permalink)
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At PocketPCThoughts.com, the feedback from users doesn't seem to be quite so positive about it:

http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/foru...3660f7d77e34da

which seems to contrast the opinion here at AximSite! I haven't used it myself yet, I've been sticking to NetFront (for no particular reason apart from that the NF beta was out before Opera's beta).
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To relocate cache folder to storage card, you just have to modify the Opera.ini file.. very easy to do.

I think Opera is a good browser but not a great one. People were expecting more out of the final product coming out of the beta and thats why the disappointment seen in the front page news thread. I still think the best solution is PIE (with MultiIE/PIEPlus) + Netfront, especially with Netfront 3.3 just around the corner.
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Old 06-01-06, 04:05 AM   #25 (permalink)
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well the text blacking out bug (x50v wm2003se) is still there in the final version... Which is a shame as if that was fixed i'd have purchased my copy today.
Can you give me some URL's of these pages? I've been testing Opera on WM2003SE (on a Pocket Loox 720) and WM2003 (on an iPAQ 2210) and, unlike with 8.5 b2 (where this problem was indeed a real pain in the back), have never run into this problem at all. It may be an x50v + WM2003SE-related problem.
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Old 06-01-06, 04:46 AM   #26 (permalink)
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Well, it's quite understandable if you look at the alternative Pocket PC browsers and/or PIE/IEM plug-ins (except for Opera Mini, the freeware and pretty incapable Webby and the non-WM5-compliant ftxPBrowser): they all cost at least $15. NetFront even costs $30.

On the desktop, they have much more fierce competition - prolly this is why they offer their desktop browser for free.
Well, at the end of the day - we each have to decide whether it represents good value or not.

My opinion.

Most people use their browser on the desktop much more than on a Pocket PC, which is really only good for occaisional use due to small screen size and limited battery power. So it's ironic that the desktop version is free and it's a pretty hefty $30 for the Pocket PC version.
Sadly, I fear that charging $30 will simply lead to piracy of this product.

Better to charge $10 and sell a lot more and reduce the temptation for people to steal.

I personally, will not be buying (or stealing) this browser.

It may be that they are going to sucker in the early adopters for $30 and reduce or eliminate the charge at a later date - as they did with the desktop version.

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BTW, I was wrong: Opera Mobile costs $24, not $30.
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Better to charge $10 and sell a lot more and reduce the temptation for people to steal.
Duno if it can be easily stolen (unless it's cracked) because the registration scheme seems to be based on the unique CPU ID.
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Duno if it can be easily stolen (unless it's cracked) because the registration scheme seems to be based on the unique CPU ID.
I think you're correct - it will be cracked. There is nothing more certain.

Anyway, that seems to be the least of their worries. Judging by other posts, there are still problems carried over from the beta version. The corruption at the end of long pages is a showstopper.

So taking everything together - buggy software, high price and usable alternatives - I stand by original view that (in my opinion) they have pitched the price too high, even at $24.
I should declare the fact that I am Scottish - maybe I'm just too careful with the pennies.

Their plan may be to scoop up a few early adopters who are very interested in the extra functionality Opera provides over the competition before they fix the bugs in the programme and start discounting heavily.

You have been a great sponsor for Opera - they should count themselves as being fortunate in getting these free reviews and endorsements.

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Anyway, that seems to be the least of their worries. Judging by other posts, there are still problems carried over from the beta version. The corruption at the end of long pages is a showstopper.
Ys, the app seems to have problems with specifically the x50v. With other WM2003/SE devices, I haven't encountered any text fuck-up bugs, unlike with beta 2.

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So taking everything together - buggy software, high price and usable alternatives - I stand by original view that (in my opinion) they have pitched the price too high, even at $24.
Dunno if the folks at Opera have access to the x50v at all - if they don't, then, they may not even have been aware of it not working on the x50v correctly.

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I should declare the fact that I am Scottish - maybe I'm just too careful with the pennies.
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You have been a great sponsor for Opera - they should count themselves as being fortunate in getting these free reviews and endorsements.
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When the first Opera Mobile beta was released, I wrote a very bad, smashing review of it because it was really buggy on WM2003(SE) devices. I've received a LOT of attacks from Opera fans because of that review. That is, I'm not really a sponsor for Opera or one that praises their product without being critical.

Now, as far as the final product is concerned, I started to like their product very much because, as a TCP/IP & HTTP & JavaScript & HTML & co. guru, I know what most people don't - Opera has a freaking good, unmatched HTTP/HTML/JavaScript engine, which is, then, covered by a not very capable, pretty immature GUI. That is, while NetFront is feature-wise a much better browser (image saving, link copying, page saving, all settings can be done from the GUI without the need to manually editing config files etc), it's just not as compliant with HTML / JavaScript as Opera (and is considerably more buggy at the HTTP level - the DST cookie bug, the cache bug etc. are still present in it).

That is, with NetFront, you will encounter pages that simply don't work / don't render properly. With Opera, it's much harder to run into pages like that.
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