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Old 06-01-06, 05:23 AM   #1 (permalink)
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a still buggy NF 3.3, or something else?

NF 3.3 Final has already been released here in japan, and as a registered user of 3.2 i got to purchase it for around US$10.

bought, and installed it last night; and spent today playing around with it... and...

hhhmmm... it seems that Netfront 3.3 is not without its bugs... i havent even finished Day 1 with it, and ive had about at least five soft resets already (due to machine freezes)..!

what i mostly get are an endless "hour glass," indefinitely waiting for the application to come up - but this only happens if i have used another memory-intensive app before it, although i still have lots of RAM remaining (around 25MB).

it would seem that the latest version of Netfront is fickle-minded in its memory requirements. what i would say is that if you use another memory-intensive app (just like PI 2005), and inspite of still having lots of RAM remaining - when you run Netfront youd only be waiting for eternity!

BUT, you are sure to get NF started when you run it right after a refreshing soft reset.

big apps that i know that act this way are the Softmaker twins - TextMaker and PlanMaker. and the freeware QMail (the Japanese app)...

and based on some looking around, the fault seems to lie with WM not FULLY "releasing" the memory after some apps are finished (even though Today screen meters say otherwise). and/or the memory gets fragmented that some apps (like NF, for example) that requires a contiguous amount of memory wont work.

the only quick fix that i see is to soft-reset EVERY time i would need to use it...

now that doesnt make it that very useful/convenient?

thoughts?

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Old 06-01-06, 08:12 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by axim_wannabe
big apps that i know that act this way are the Softmaker twins - TextMaker and PlanMaker. and the freeware QMail (the Japanese app)...

Yes, Qmail has caused severe problems with Opera 8.5b2 too - it is resource intensive. That is, if you start Qmail, then, you couldn't start Opera (Haven't tested this with the latest versions though).

I do envy you to have access to NF3.3 :)
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Old 06-01-06, 11:03 AM   #3 (permalink)
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i'v been playing with the netfront beta for a couple months now on several different devices x50v,x51v,hx4700 and now HTC apache

although the betas were far from perfect they were more stable then what you are describing in this thread
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Old 06-01-06, 11:17 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Well, actually, I've also run into some memory leaks with 3.2 if I used the built-in Java VM. As I only have access to the trial version (Access hasn't contacted me back on the English version as yet - even a Japanese version would do for my compliance/speed/bug tests) of NetFront, I don't know whether the same Java memory leaks are also present in 3.3.
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anybody would like to borrow the Final Version (albeit in Japanese)...?

it is just that it would be more beneficial if more heads were working on a certain issue (say, like memory leaks) - and we may get Access to release 3.3.1...?

thoughts...?

im now in Day 2 - and i still use PIE (with PocketPlus) as my default browser. using NF is just too troublesome: either i have to soft-reset before using, OR i would need to soft-reset (and may lose some unsaved data) upon using it... its just no win for me, at the moment... there goes my US$10...
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Originally Posted by axim_wannabe
anybody would like to borrow the Final Version (albeit in Japanese)...?
I'd be REALLY thankful for it - I would really want to test its capabilities so that I can compare it to Opera Mobile.
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It seems it's only with Flash/Java / other plug-ins that there will be memory leaks. Please see http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/ind...&c=1&tb=1&pb=1

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As far as the driver memory is concerned, you're right - I'm working on an article on my findings.
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Just published an article on the driver memory usage of NF 3.3 at http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/ind...&c=1&tb=1&pb=1
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So having learned about (the existance of) driver memory.. the logical question is, apart from soft resetting, what can we do about it?
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Originally Posted by Menneisyys
Just published an article on the driver memory usage of NF 3.3 at http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/ind...&c=1&tb=1&pb=1
let me reply to this one first - and i would say how unfortunate that i have a WM2003SE... *huhuhuhu*

that means everytime that i have to use NF, QMail, the Softmaker apps, etc. i would need to soft reset... *sigh*

but just one question - is there a way to improve the internal workings (the source code), either by the developers themselves, or by certain hacks; to reduce the usage of driver memory?

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let me reply to this one first - and i would say how unfortunate that i have a WM2003SE... *huhuhuhu*
Yeah, WM2003SE is much worse, stability-wise, than I've thought.

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but just one question - is there a way to improve the internal workings (the source code), either by the developers themselves, or by certain hacks; to reduce the usage of driver memory?
I'm sure it is possible by, for example, deciding what DLL's to load always, and which ones only when it's really needed. For example, Qmail loads all the DLL's upon startup - even ones that will never be needed because you don't even have any accounts set up to use, say, POP3, IMAP or NNTP.
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