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Old 06-06-06, 07:13 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Icon13 Beware Opera!!

I'm not sure if everyone knows this, but when you buy a license for the new Opera browser. ( A GREAT browser!!) it is only good for your specific PDA.

I just got a warrenty exchange from Dell and my Opera registration would not work. Opera sent me a new one, but said that they only did this because I bought the program less than 30 days ago!!

So if I have to send in my X51v for a warrenty exchange ( I have 2 years left ) more than 30 days after I bought Opera, then I would have to buy a new license!

Disposable Software at its worst!!

I have written Opera about this and told them I would post their reply to this forum.

Come on Opera, you have a GREAT browser, now follow it up with a realistic user agreement!!


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Old 06-06-06, 07:19 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Are you using the same Owner Name/Device ID on your replacement?

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Old 06-06-06, 07:24 AM   #3 (permalink)
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I would have thought it was more useful to post it on their forums....
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I will not buy Opera due to it's device-specific licensing, should there be a competent alternative like NetFront that doesn't do it.

I don't deserve the hassle of needing to beg for a new device code when I have hardware problems.
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Old 06-06-06, 09:02 AM   #5 (permalink)
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... kinda like OEM Windows license.
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I would have thought it was more useful to post it on their forums....
Where they can feel free to edit? What does Dell do when you post a rant on their forums?

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Originally Posted by PocketBrain
... kinda like OEM Windows license.

Where they can feel free to edit? What does Dell do when you post a rant on their forums?

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well unlike Dell they do seem to actually read their own forums. And at the moment they are letting the good and the bad stay up with opera mobile.

If they do take the stuff down then we'll know they are like Dell
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Old 06-06-06, 09:09 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Gigi
Are you using the same Owner Name/Device ID on your replacement?

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Good question, and apropos :approve:
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Old 06-06-06, 10:03 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Opera Answers

Opera sent me an email that they would continue to supply users with a new registration key after 30 days in the event that they receive a warrenty replacement from Dell.

I still don't like having to ask mother may I when Dell sends me a replacement unit.

What happens if / when this app is no longer supported?

I understand the need for DRM, but all this does is create a hardship for the legimate user. I don't pirate software. If I like a program, I buy it. I bought Opera.

Why make it easier to just download it off of usenet?
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That's pretty much standard practice joel. If you don't like it you don't have to use their program. I thnk Gigi is right though. I have a way to check it. I'll post back here later to say if it worked.
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Old 06-06-06, 02:21 PM   #10 (permalink)
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ha! another reason not to blow $$$ on a web browser
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I'm going to leave this to Menneysyis to explain. I simply cannot believe everyone is so excited about this program. Who on God's green earth would want popups at all? You don't get those with PIE.
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Originally Posted by Don't Panic!
That's pretty much standard practice joel. If you don't like it you don't have to use their program. I thnk Gigi is right though. I have a way to check it. I'll post back here later to say if it worked.
Actually, "standard" practice, if it exists, is to have a software key and userID or deviceID, not locked down to a specific piece of hardware. If I replace my PDA, I have the right to use my software on the new PDA once it is removed from the old. Opera has so far said they would support warranty replacements, but what if I decide I want a new PDA? I can freely install all of my other applications using the same registration codes as before (i.e. Pocket Breeze, PI, etc.).
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Old 06-07-06, 02:32 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Other companies do this same thing...this isn't a new thing or an Opera-only thing. Two that I have purchased licenses for are OnCourse Navigator and Dinarsoft MemMaid. I recently purchased a new iPaq HX4705 to replace my Axim X5 Advanced. I followed the instructions given by both companies to request a new activation code and had them reasonably quick (less than an hour with Dinarsoft, and first thing Monday morning for a weekend request from OcN). No problems...no hassles.

Remember folks...you're not purchasing the software...you're purchasing a license to USE the software, subject to the terms of the licensing agreement. If you don't agree with what they are doing, don't purchase a license. They can protect their software however they want....just like you can spend your money however you want.

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Originally Posted by gatownsend
Other companies do this same thing...this isn't a new thing or an Opera-only thing. Two that I have purchased licenses for are OnCourse Navigator and Dinarsoft MemMaid. I recently purchased a new iPaq HX4705 to replace my Axim X5 Advanced. I followed the instructions given by both companies to request a new activation code and had them reasonably quick (less than an hour with Dinarsoft, and first thing Monday morning for a weekend request from OcN). No problems...no hassles.

Remember folks...you're not purchasing the software...you're purchasing a license to USE the software, subject to the terms of the licensing agreement. If you don't agree with what they are doing, don't buy the software. They can protect their software however they want....just like you can spend your money however you want.

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Hmm...care to show me in the license agreement where the software is to be locked in to the specific device?

Most licensing agreements only state that it is to be run on one device at a given time, meaning if you use it on another device you are required by the terms of the agreement to uninstall it from the original device first. This is perfectly reasonable, of course, but locking it to specific hardware is not.
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Most licensing agreements only state that it is to be run on one device at a given time, meaning if you use it on another device you are required by the terms of the agreement to uninstall it from the original device first. This is perfectly reasonable, of course, but locking it to specific hardware is not.
That's your opinion, and you're entitled to it...I'm not going to argue that with you. But if the vendor wants to lock it to a device, it's their prerogative. It's their property and they can do with it as they please. You then need to decide if the benefits of purchasing a license to the software are worth it to you given this restriction placed on it's use by the owner/vendor.

It may or may not explicitly state this in the license agreement. I only bring up the license agreement because folks are always saying things like, "I own this software, I should be able to do what I want with it or install it on whatever PDA I want." The fact is as a licensee you don't own the software...you've purchased the right to use it, subject to the restrictions placed on it by the owner. If you don't agree with those restrictions or you think they are excessive, then you shouldn't purchase the license.

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