Ilium is chasing the almighty dollar by developing programs for the iPhone and Blackberry. This is new and fertile territory for developers which theoretically will result in profits that have slowed down in the Winmobile world.
The problem with this approach is that Webis is doing the same thing BUT are also updating Pocket Informant and other programs at the same time. I guess Ilium doesn't share Webis desire to get new customer's while keeping its loyal Winmo base happy.
When ThinkingBytes owned ThinkDB (and later ThinkDB2) it was superb. DataViz bought it and rebranded it SmartListToGo, which in my opinion showed the lack of understanding about what they bought. Then they proceeded to do pretty much nothing with it.
Still, if SmartListToGo ran on the Windows Mobile platform natively (with sync capability with the Windows Desktop component) it would blow ListPro away.
I inquired about that once and DataViz' response was not encouraging.
So, I stay with ListPro. For now.
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I am surprised constantly by the number of old palm users that reference shadow or life balance features, but never gripe about the number one feature all those programs had: Built in task-list syncrinization. After you created your outline/project tree, it would automatically sync those task to your todo list. So when you went into your PIM app, all your tasks you created in shadow/bonsia/lifebalance were now in your todo list. If you ticked one as done, it was ticked as done back in your shadow/bonsia/life balance. This allowed you to create a huge project tree with multiple branches, levels, etc; and then go back to a simplified list of actions in your PIM. Both were constantly in sync.
Yet, this is never mentioned on the WM front. I have asked developers why its never implimented and I have NEVER gotten an answer back (I have ased illium software as well as many others). But as I said, I am more shocked that this feature isnt requested/missed by the end users.
Cirrob: I guess that's because the limitations of outliner itself are more frustrating than ability to sync with PIM. To me the sync with PIM was the icing on the cake, something that was nice but not a "must have".
Besides, at least in my setup, not all tasks in outline belong in PIM - a lot of items that I designate as a Task (via assigning a priority) are high-level items, and the only things that belong in PIM's ToDo list are low-level concrete steps.
Regardless, this is an important feature, but there's lots of other things missing that people must feel are just more important.
Did Natara Softare and their application BonsaiPPC go belly-up?
I ask because my demo is down to 3 days left before expiring, so I went to check for an updated beta version and I can't connect to Natara. So, I go to Natara.com website and it is gone....for sale....since 7-31-08.
Maybe they relocated...hmm....but I expect that this is an ominous sign :(
The last time I checked their website - a week or so ago - they were having some issues with their website hosting company. The company had taken their forum offline and Natara was planning to move to a different company. Their blog is still online:
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I don't think Bonsai is great just yet, but Palm users sure love it. Hopefully when it comes out of Beta, it will be a serious rival.
Did you continue trying it or not?
I downloaded the beta and it looked pretty good (I primarily use the desktop version and copy to the PPC) but I have so much stuff in List Pro I either stop and start with Bonsai and then have to remember where I put things or copy everything to Bonsai and that doesn't make a lot of sense.
Maybe others who have used List Pro are going to use Bonsai for something completely different.
buzzzqwert: I have not had the time to look very closely at Bonsai yet. Right now I am consumed with judging the Smartphone & Pocket PC software awards. I'll look closely at Bonsai once I've completed that.
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I'm an ex-Shadow Plan user, Bonsai was "the other" application ;) so I am not that familiar with it.
Two things that still hold me to ListPro are the overall speed and lightness of the application, and the possibilities offered by custom columns with sorting and filtering. To be fair to Ilium ;) they did their darnest to counteract this and make sure there are countless little quirks that slow you down. The lack of warp, the inability to have a small font on PDA and large font on PC in same list, the many unnecessary steps it takes to do certain actions, the inability to use custom views with pre-saved sort & filter, etc, go back to my original post. Now there's inability to use Unicode on PC. I'm bi-lingual and having a project in my home country drives the need to use an application that supports non-Latin characters. Guess what, it worked just fine until v5 but they've been too busy to fix a single bug.
From what I recall, Shadow could easily be configured to work in about the same way ListPro does, by using tags & custom columns, as far back as 2002. I assume Bonsai has similar functions. As soon as they get it out of Beta I am going to consider it very seriously. I am really surprised iLium is putting all their eggs in one basket (eWallet), there's at least one freeware wallet application that is as good or better (my highly subjective opinion), and if it catches up with general public they will have their lunch eaten. Just my 2 cents.
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