halwill

Just went out of town with my X51v for the first time and stayed at a hotel w/wifi. When I tried to connect, the hotel had a disclaimer page with two buttons (accept/do not accept). When I tried to click on the accept button with my stylus nothing happened. Is there something I am missing on how to make this happen?

halwill

Menneisyys

Originally Posted by halwill

Just went out of town with my X51v for the first time and stayed at a hotel w/wifi. When I tried to connect, the hotel had a disclaimer page with two buttons (accept/do not accept). When I tried to click on the accept button with my stylus nothing happened. Is there something I am missing on how to make this happen? halwill

May have been a PIE incompatibility. Try with alternative, superior browsers (Opera, Netfront).

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Menneisyys

PIEPlus 1.31 finally released!

We've been waiting for over a year for an updated version of PIEPlus, one of the most important Pocket Internet Explorer (PIE for short) plug-ins. It's, now, here, with some welcome additions – and, a new bug and still lacking WM5 compatibility.

Changes

• * Now, just like in MultiIE, the tab height is configurable (as opposed to previous versions) – the lack of this was one of the biggest annoyances with the previous version.
  
  * The "Close button" and the "Screen drag button", however, are gone from both the General tab dialog (compare the two screenshots above) and the right end of the tab row. A screenshot of the tabs is here (1.31) and here (1.2b2)
  
  * Strangely, the "Language – Default character set" drop-down list is no longer available in the PIE tab (version 1.2 screenshot is here).
  
  * There's a new main context menu menu item, Tab bar, to quickly hide/unhide the tabs. It wasn't present in the latest beta. The other (link/image) context menus have not been changed.
  

Please note that the <new> features in the "Feature List" section on the official homepage does not compare the new, 1.31 version to the two, publicly available, one-year-old betas but to the old, official, non-beta version 1.1. This means Tabbed multiple PIE windows, Screen drag to scroll, View HTML source and Save image (the four "new" features) have all been existing in the previous betas and are nothing new; they are only additions compared to version 1.1.


Cons, bugs

• * sometimes, the toolbar just disappears, as can be seen for example in this screenshot. In here, the standard Today toolbar is displayed instead of the standard PIE + PIEPlus one. This seems to be an acute problem as you can't bring it back without shutting down (minimizing won't suffice!) PIE.
  
  
  * no WM5 support. Absolutely none. Do not attempt installing it on a WM5 device if you don't want to run into severe system slowdowns and other problems (fortunately, a simple uninstall will get rid of these problems). Unfortunately, right now, only ftxPBrowser is compatible with WM5 devices (to some degree), as far as Pocket Internet Explorer/ Internet Explorer Mobile plug-ins/add-ons are concerned. The current version, 3.1-d59, of MultiIE, the other PIE plug-in, isn't WM5-compliant either.
  

Please note that

• * In PIEPLus, the "Pocket View" mode is enabled by default, which will render tables quite differently than the One Column view mode of WM2003SE devices. The former displays all cells in a table row one after another, without inserting newlines in between them; the latter does insert newlines. In my opinion, the latter approach is much better in most cases - it separates the contents of distinct columns far better.
  
  PIEPlus puts all concetanated rows in a real table row; the One Column mode of PIE doesn't. The former approach is definitely better because, at least, it shows the row boundaries.
  
  Therefore, if you have a WM2003SE device, you will want to consider which of the two approaches you prefer and accordingly set your settings (either enabled "Pocket View" and the browser in Standard View mode, or disabled "Pocket View" and the browser in One Column mode).
  
  
  * Never ever install PIEPlus and MultiIE on the same device at the same time, both enabled, if you want to avoid some serious boot-time problems! (Of course, this was true of previous versions too.)
  

Differences, compared to MultiIE

In addition to the Roundup of Web Browsers (see the link in the "Recommended reading" section) comparison, I've also directly compared the two plug-ins as follows:

I've also tested the known problem of MultiIE: if you use word completion with the built-in Software Keyboard and select a word to complete, the tab underneath (if a tab is under the clicked word) will be activated at once. For example, in this screenshot, the first tab would activate if you used MultiIE and clicked the word "today" where the mouse cursor is. The new version PIEPlus doesn't suffer from this problem.

Verdict

If you haven't used the 1.2 betas in the last year but used the even older, non-beta version 1.1, you will indeed welcome the changes. If you did use the betas, you won't find much in the new version – except for the fine-tunable tab height, which is indeed welcome.

If you've paid for previous versions of PIEPlus, get this version – it'll be free for you. However, look out for the 'disappearing toolbar' bug – I don't know if you'll be facing it or not.

Other users may also want to give the new PIEPlus a try – it has a trial version. Whether it's worth the money – I don't know. If you want to stick with PIE, compare it to MultiIE and ftxPBrowser and decide which one to get.

Alternatively, you may want to abandon PIE completely and switch to an alternative browser – particularly on Windows Mobile 5, which has a wonderful Opera port.

Recommended reading

Roundup of Web Browsers (alternatives: iPAQ HQ, AximSite, FirstLoox, PPC Magazine, BrightHand). Please also make sure you follow the links in the threads to the newer articles too.

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halwill

Originally Posted by Menneisyys

May have been a PIE incompatibility. Try with alternative, superior browsers (Opera, Netfront).

Are there any recommendations as to where to install these other browsers (i.e., card, or ROM)? Also is there any way to uninstall PIE from the handheld?

Thanks,

halwill

Menneisyys

Originally Posted by halwill

Are there any recommendations as to where to install these other browsers (i.e., card, or ROM)? Also is there any way to uninstall PIE from the handheld? Thanks, halwill

You can safely install all of them on a storage card. Beware, however, of the default cache location of NetFront. I've elaborated on this question quite much in the above articles.

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Menneisyys

New stuff:

Minimo 0.013RC1 – a full review (alternatives: MobilitySite, AximSite, FirstLoox, PPCT, BrightHand)

New version of popular Web browser, Thunderhawk, out - now with LH Landscape support! (alternatives: MobilitySite, AximSite, FirstLoox, PPCT, BrightHand)

Windows Mobile 5: How do I modify the default scrolling behaviour of Web browsers? (alternatives: MobilitySite, AximSite, FirstLoox, PPCT, BrightHand)

New version of Pocket Internet Explorer plug-in, PIEPlus, has been released! (alternatives: MobilitySite, AximSite, FirstLoox, PPCT, BrightHand)

How do I listen to online radio stations in Windows Media Player on my Pocket PC 2002 Pocket PC? I've heard it can't play WM9 audio streams. Is that true? (alternatives: PPCT)

Having problems with MSN Messenger and some other applications while using the OnSpeed service? Here's the solution!

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Menneisyys

Another article, this time about the WM5 compliance of Internet Explorer Mobile Plug-Ins:

Internet Explorer Mobile Plug-Ins and WM5 Compliance (alternatives: MobilitySite, AximSite, PPC Magazine, FirstLoox, PPCT, BrightHand).

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Menneisyys

Release Candidate 2 of free, great Pocket PC Web Browser Minimo ver. 0.013 released! (alternatives: MobilitySite, AximSite, FirstLoox, PPCT, BrightHand)

Final version of Minimo 0.013, the free, great Web browser, is out! (alternatives: MobilitySite, AximSite, FirstLoox, PPCT, BrightHand)

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Coby1106

great job and fabulous post! thanx a lot dude:)

btw. what do u guys think of "Opera" (the new realease has been out for a couple of days)?

italysBadBoy

Enjoyed the reading this review. I like many others are trying to find that special browser that will do it for us. I am using Windows Mobile 2003 which doesn't have the option of toggling between landscape and portrait. Seems to me the first thing you want to do is switch to landscape before you're surfing with your browser. I could be wrong since I see few articles mentioning this. So far it's Minimo that is doing it for me. Hope to see Minimo, Thunderbird, and ActiveSync blossom into one kick ass suite for the Axim.

Oh yeah, surfing around tonite I ran across this from Opera. Haven't tried it out yet so no option on it.

Opera 8.5 beta for Windows Mobile, Pocket PC
http://www.opera.com/products/mobile.../winmobileppc/

IBB

Menneisyys

Originally Posted by Coby1106

great job and fabulous post! thanx a lot dude:) btw. what do u guys think of "Opera" (the new realease has been out for a couple of days)?

It really rules on WM5 devices - see my Opera reviews above.

(BTW, there's no new version of the beta if you mean that - I've just checked the internal filedates in the CAB file. They're the same as in the first beta, which has been made available a month ago.)

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ESSENTIAL (NEW, UNIQUE BUGFIXES!!!) to know about the great Web browser, Opera beta! (alternatives: MobilitySite, AximSite, FirstLoox, PPCT, BrightHand)

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Stadsport

Any ways to make Opera Mobile suck less on non-WM5 devices?

segadc

The first browser that allows my X5 to do landscape will get my vote...and my money...

runnr548

I'm still w/IE

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