PSX emulator is out....and it actually works

[mike64647]

http://fpsearm.psxfanatics.com/

You can find it there, I had my doubts but they actually pulled it off. The games run significantly faster than GBA games do on my Axim PXA250 running 2003 and overclocked, Tactics Ogre is quite playable. Also he has an iso compressor and some rip tools that allow you to get the games down to under 50MB.

[mikeo007]

Very cool, this project really looks like it's coming along. I'm gonna try a wraslin game and see how it plays

[slza805]

wooohooo, thats worth trying. thanks for the update.

[Bjonne]

But where do you get the BIOS file ? I cant find it anywere

Anyone got a link to that ?
If not, how do I get my BIOS out of my PSX and into a file ?

Thanks

[cageyjames]

Originally posted by Bjonne
But where do you get the BIOS file ? I cant find it anywere

You'll have to figure that out on your own. No links or posts about where to get it are allowed on Aximsite.

[Bjonne]

May I ask why its not allowed ?

I mean is the program illegal ? If so, why is it allowed to talk and link to it ?
If its NOT illegal why isnt it allowed to talk about the software for it ?

If its ONLY the BIOS thats illegal, then what is the point of allowing people to talk about the rest of the program since its USELESS without a BIOS.

Seems like sitting between two chairs.

[cribbagewiz]

Well, given that it's an emulator, the program isn't illegal unless it uses copyrighted code within it. I would guess that if they aren't actively being sued by Sony, they probably did due diligence and avoided embedding such code in the emulator.

The short answer for where you get the BIOS is you can't, since that is copyrighted code that comes only when you BUY a PlayStation from Sony.

The long answer is that there are ways which cageyjames has made it clear shouldn't be discussed here to get copies of that code, whether legally or illegally to use with the emulator.

The emulator is dependent on code that Sony protects, and if active discussion of how to get the code anyway were to occur here, the site could get shut down since I doubt Aximsite's owners could withstand the sort of lawsuit Sony has already proven they are likely to bring.

That having been said, the emulator program itself is pretty cool and of note for most Axim owners. Whether they decide to do whatever they need to in order to make it work is up to those individuals, but talking about how to do it, as opposed to the fact that the program exists, will invariably bring down the wrath of Sony.

[Bjonne]

So just to be clear :

So its ok, to talk about the program, because the program is legal.

But NOT how to get the BIOS from my PSX to a file ? If the code is copyrighted then I can understand its illegal to dstribute it or link to it Of course.

But what I dont understand is why its illegal to discuss how I can get the BIOS out from _my_ PSX ?

Where is the difference in talking about that, and talking about RIPPING a CD (which is copyrighted as well!) ??

This thread fx. discusses RIPPING a CD :
http://www.aximsite.com/boards/showt...threadid=18739

Thanks again

[Tom61]

Most of time 'getting' the BIOS means 'downloading', hence the problem.

You pretty much need to desolder the PROM containing the BIOS and putting the chip in a EPROM reader/writer. That's the most legal way to 'get' the BIOS.

[moore]

And dicussing it is NOT illegal, but aximsite rules forbid it, for good reason. Legal or illegal - allowing extended discussion in 'grey' areas can cause trouble for the site, so the rule of the site is don't get into it here.

A simple google search with appropriate content (such as the actual file name of the bios) would let you find it independently, btw. Google can answer most 'newbie' emulation questions.
Just searching a bit on your own before asking for help is a GREAT idea when getting into any kind of emulation (there are always grey areas involved)

When you get into a discussion about emulation on a site like this one, it's best to keep to generalities to keep the site from being at risk. Even if no laws are broken, Sony does not have to win a suit, just legal fees for defending can kill the site, even if you are in the right. If fact they'd likely be forced to settle to avoid bankruptcy.

These rules are common to public forums btw, you will encounter them in other forums, for sure.

[Blazen]

Originally posted by Bjonne

This thread fx. discusses RIPPING a CD :
http://www.aximsite.com/boards/showt...threadid=18739

Thanks again

Is this one of those... well, they did it, so why can't I? Seriously, I humbly suggest everyone drop this thread before it get's deleted. 99% of us do not pay for this site to be up, I personally enjoy it. If a moderator says DON'T, then by all means, DON'T. Please, if you want to really know, try sending a PM (private message) to the individual through the bulletin board.

If you want to really know why the mods say not to discuss certain things, go shell out about $10,000 (servers cost, as well as bandwidth, backup stuff, and software to run) to simply just start your own site. Then talk about the things the mods asked you not to do here, and see if you get any certified mail.

I totally feel for the owners and moderators of these sites at times...

Cagey said:
No links or posts about where to get it are allowed on Aximsite

He never said we couldn't discuss the program itself...

Also, please don't be offended by me... remember when you mother said, "because I said so"? This is no different.

**** exit rant mode ****

Does the axim have to be overclocked to run the emu? What mhz is your axim? (you stated it was a pxa250, but not 300 or 400)

Thanks!

[Bjonne]

moore ... I understand what you are saying about grey areas, protecting the site etc. But I just dont see why the Admin of this (otherwise GREAT site) is so afraid in THIS particulary area (emulators) when they arent when the discussion is about fx. ripping a CD !

As far as I can see there is no difference between
1. Ripping a CD into MP3 FILES for thereafter playing them on the Ax ... and
2. "Ripping" a BIOS into a file for thereafter playing on the Ax

???

When it comes to lawsuits etc. there has been 1000's more lawsuit against people doing MP3 than Emulators.

I just want to understand were the difference is between talking about pkt. 1 and talking about pkt. 2 ?

Best regards
Bjorn

[Bjonne]

Blaze ... first dont play my mother :-) ... (and the "I told you so" is always used by parents when they dont have a good explaination ;-) )

second, like I wrote already I totally accept the decision, no complaining or anything, but I would like to know where the difference is (See me previous message), so that I DONT in the future ask the wrong questions again.

/Bjorn

[deftech]

I am personally not sure of the 100% exact laws regarding this. However, the only way that even might possibly be legal to do it, is if you were to rip the PROM out of your Playstation, buy a PROM chip reader/writer for your computer, and write a software program that would make a copy of the PROM into a .iso file.

The fact is, that 99.999999999% of users wouldn't take the time or money to do it this way. And also, I'm not even sure if this method is even legal.

To be safe, and because there is such a small minority that would even try to do it this way, it is safer for Aximsite to have members simply not discuss it on here.

If someone actually wants to take the time to get in touch with the "powers that be" within the Sony Corporation, get them to agree to allow us to discuss it, and have them mail over a signed contract saying so......then we'll be glad to allow it here. But I have a feeling that nobody would take the time to do this, and also know that Sony would not agree to it.

[moore]

Bjonne,

Nothing is wrong with 'ripping' a cd. It doesn't violate anything whatsoever. You can make a copy of a cd if you wish. You may not distribute it, not for free and not for money, in any way, and you technically may not publicly exhibit it.

There are no legal problems with say, ripping a cd you bought to mp3 and using it on your ppc. Or cutting down a lucasarts pc game to work with pocketscumm, or a psx cd to work with a ppc. You bought a license to use it, it is widely accepted that you may use it on another device. This is the same as copying a cd to cassette if you only have a cassette walkman or car deck.

Also, iirc, Nintendo has always cited case law against roms that pointed out that they are hardware and you aren't really legally allowed to make a 'backup' of them. You have no license to use it, you bought a psx that you use, not the IP that comprises the programming of the components. That'd cover the bios rom, arcade romsets, gb/c/gba roms, etc.... I imagine Sony's lawyers are just as good.

In addition, 'aximsite says so' should be a sufficient answer. They own the site.