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Old 06-30-05, 01:16 AM   #16 (permalink)
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So when is your game set for release?
I'm not making one, as I'm not nearly creative enough to come up with an idea. From the apps I've made though (some different things, mostly for school), I've learned how easy it really is. A game may be a bit more complex, but it's still not nearly as hard as a PC game.
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Old 06-30-05, 01:20 AM   #17 (permalink)
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I'm not making one, as I'm not nearly creative enough to come up with an idea. From the apps I've made though (some different things, mostly for school), I've learned how easy it really is. A game may be a bit more complex, but it's still not nearly as hard as a PC game.
Any links for the apps you have made and are they anything that would be useful?
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Old 06-30-05, 01:35 AM   #18 (permalink)
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Any links for the apps you have made and are they anything that would be useful?
No links, as they were made purely for personal use. And they really wouldn't be useful to anyone but me. Like I wrote a subnet calculator (before I knew about vxUtil) and a few misc things. But can we please get back on topic? We were talking about overpriced PPC software, not homebrew stuff.
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Old 06-30-05, 01:49 AM   #19 (permalink)
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I personally don't think that $20 dollars is too much to pay for a PPC application or game that I like, and I am pretty sure that I have more invested in software than I do in my PPC (which was around $550 when I bought it)

You should remember that a computer is just a paper weight without software, some useful software may be included with the computer (whether a PC or PPC) but you usually have to (or want to) buy software for specific tasks.

Generally my PC also has much more money invested in software than hardware, what is the use of having the biggest hard drive or the most ram if you don't have anything to run on it?

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Old 06-30-05, 02:19 AM   #20 (permalink)
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The way I see it actions could have been made by game programmer to avoid piracy. No efforts are made to prevent it. How about games sold on SD or CF cards. You could play directly from the card so piracy is reduced to a minimum.
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Old 06-30-05, 03:22 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Well, the the programmers spend lots of time and effort making these programs. They do deserve something.

Also the fact that there is lots of piracy doesn't help the high prices. If everyone bought the programs, they probably wouldn't be as high priced.
Well I don't know about you but ....

1 I wouln't know where to get pirate copys
2 How on earth do so many know where to get pirate copys and effect economical stability?
3 Registration should facilitate the genuine usage of these products
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Old 06-30-05, 03:31 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by orangeblob
Well I don't know about you but ....

1 I wouln't know where to get pirate copys
2 How on earth do so many know where to get pirate copys and effect economical stability?
3 Strict Registration should facilitate the genuine usage of these products
Some PC programs are well protected now.
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Old 06-30-05, 05:07 AM   #23 (permalink)
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The problem is most of these games being sold for $20 aren't worth paying for in the slightest.

I happily paid for Snails and Tower Mogul, but refuse to pay for all those almost identical puzzle games that arent fun and mostly unoriginal, especially when there are often free alternatives that are just as fun.

Making those little puzzle games requires almost no effort, you could churn one out in a night if you wanted to, and thats what it seems most of them do.
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Old 06-30-05, 05:51 AM   #24 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by YodaEXE
No links, as they were made purely for personal use. And they really wouldn't be useful to anyone but me. Like I wrote a subnet calculator (before I knew about vxUtil) and a few misc things. But can we please get back on topic? We were talking about overpriced PPC software, not homebrew stuff.
But this is the topic. You are right in saying that homebrew stuff is different from stuff you market. And thats where a lot of the cost comes in.

I don't have the creative (or other skills) to design games. Few people do.. and if they want to be able to make games.. and eat then charging for software seems fair.

If making comercial level applications (or games) at a $5 price point is easy.. then go for it. Hire the people you need to fill in your missing skills.. hire a graphics artist.. 3d Cad Guy or whatever you need. I'll beta test your application for free if you like and if its any good I'll buy 2 coppies (theres $10 for you already).

Now there are an awful lot of bad apps/games out there. I own some shockingly bad PS2 games.... but being able to charge for games at the $20(ish) mark has lead to excellend games such as Arvale.. Astraware stuff, and some amazingly good apps.

We should be activly supporting companies that sell such apps/games and as long as i get more that $20 value out of a $20 game I'm happy.


If someone does it as a hobby, to develop their own skills, or because they believe in open source then thats fine. But I don't know of anyone who's making a fortune on the PPC market.
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I am also confused at the high cost of the simplest of games. But many of the higher quality places do offer bundles and deals. Jamdat offers all of their games on ppc for $99, and thats a pretty good deal. PDAMill gives discounts as well...i picked up 7 games for $65 yesterday including snails, ardvale (?), gems, classics, traffic, solitaire 1, and asia...those are high quality games for about $9 a piece...

On the other hand, have you tried all in hold em? Its the best poker game out there imho, and it is really, really good. And only $15. Compare that to bejeweled and its a joke. Actually, i think bejeweled (and astraware in general) are "ruining it" for the rest of us with their high costs.

Frankly, you price these games at half their going rate (so make them 9 or 10 bucks) and you'd sell 4 times as many i believe...
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Ya like i can get any movie the weekend it comes out in movies and pay less to buy a bootleg of it on dvd from the flea market (not that i do) prices are to much and that is just encoarging people just to get the illegal stuff since it is way cheaper. if they could only lower the price then that would be more resonable
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Ya like i can get any movie the weekend it comes out in movies and pay less to buy a bootleg of it on dvd from the flea market (not that i do) prices are to much and that is just encoarging people just to get the illegal stuff since it is way cheaper. if they could only lower the price then that would be more resonable
Stealing stuff is usually cheaper than buying it. And buying stolen property is cheaper than buying it legally.

If only people wouldn't buy stolen goodsit.. then less stuff would get stolen
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Old 07-01-05, 05:04 AM   #28 (permalink)
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Well, officially buying a pirated DVD or CD isnt stolen goods, its breach of copyright. ;)

Morally the same though I suppose. ALthough that hasnt stopped me picking up a few bargains at the Barras in Glasgow :: shame ::
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Old 07-01-05, 06:13 AM   #29 (permalink)
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You guys should check out this post on the pocketmatrix forums.
http://www.pocketmatrix.com/forums/v...light=handango

Basically, the developers get barely HALF of what they sell the games for. THIS is the reason for high prices, and THIS is what you should boycott/complain to the company about. If someone made a site that only charged 5-10% profits, and included all the nice bells and whistles, then prices would DRASTICALLY decrease! Your $20 game just became $10. $15 game just became $7.50
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One of the big issues is volume. There just isn't as many people buying software for the PPC as there is for the PC. The other issue, is controls. It takes a lot more thought to invent a game with 4 buttons, a D-pad and a touch-screen then with all the options available to a PC. You really have to think out the interface. If you look around, you will be able to get some really good deals on the software. Even Pocketgear is discounting the stuff all the time. I don't agree with the high prices, but because I can't code, and someone is making stuff I want, I have to buy it. I REFUSE to use pirated or illegal software. It simply isn't right. Either pay for the program, or don't use it, but don't sell your integrity out for $20.
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