GPS 10 Deluxe users...questions

nealh · 10-05-05, 08:45 AM

I have my GPS 10 Deluxe up and running again

Several issues I have noticed

1. Is there a volume adjustment within Ique software..I can not find one so far...seems only way to adjust volume is via Axim speaker vol. control
Iguidance and other gps software have a program setting to make adjustments...Unless I "crank volume it is very low", with Iguidance setup I set it to notch just above lowest and it worked great
Seems GPS 10 may require external speaker/powered mount..ugh!

2. when following voice navigation and routes, after making a turn the screen redraw is slow and the map is blank green then the map is redrawn...lag seems "pretty long"..X50v is set to auto and speed was reported as 624mhz. This I never saw with Iguidance 2.1.2

when navigating the map does not ever seem to have redraw lag

3. keyboard is linked to X50v input...Iguidance and OCN have there own keyboard. Size is better on there keyboard buttons..almost big enough to use your fingers

as for routing..it rerouted quickly(slight slower than Iguidance...but nothing excessive)...same route Iguidance would ask me to make Uturns(even with this turned off in Iguidance)...Ique never asked to make a Uturn...rerouted perfectly and started with better initially routing than Iguidance

SO far after testing one route ...this look good with a few idiosyncracies to get used too...ie keyboard and volume...I am guessing I will need to max volume on the X50v when I turn on (its loud enough I think this way )....

I still find certain the reported street numbers and upcoming street to be worth these issues so far with limited testing

GPS10 receiver ...not as sensitive as BT 338 but it locked on sats faster in my area than the BT 338...I need ot leave the GPS10 on my dash, BT 38 could keep a fix in a map pocket on my drivers door

GPS10 will often report 7-9 sat lock....has not dropped a fix in areas with alot of trees..

danielchtong · 10-05-05, 10:23 PM

Originally Posted by nealh

I have my GPS 10 Deluxe up and running again

Several issues I have noticed

GPS10 receiver ...not as sensitive as BT 338 but it locked on sats faster in my area than the BT 338...I need ot leave the GPS10 on my dash, BT 38 could keep a fix in a map pocket on my drivers door

The sensitivity of the sirf III chipset is , I would say, spooky. My cf gps on my laptop buckled up at my passenger seat can lock on signal while driving on the highway. The scary part is that if I have a lock by my living room window, I can still keep the lock on walking down the stairs to my basement. After reaching my basement, the lock-on was kind of on and off thing. Still it has pockets of areas where I can lock on in my basement. Scary.

Daniel

nealh · 10-05-05, 10:31 PM

I agree the SIRF III is a great chipset and very sensitive

I think Garmin missed the boat on not allowing other GPS eceivers to be used with their software....another market to explore/exploit

danielchtong · 10-05-05, 11:09 PM

Originally Posted by nealh

I think Garmin missed the boat on not allowing other GPS eceivers to be used with their software....another market to explore/exploit

Technically, gps 10 does run on Ique and other software+ map as well. Co-existence (with other software) is already a big big step by Garmin. You are right. Non-Garmin hardware cannot run on their software. The know or they think they know what they are doing. They still have a dominance in gps. I was not surprised that Garmin is prominent in the newsgroup, alt.satellite.gps. But its presence is still quite a bit in this exclusively ppc forum. Their market share is huge but declining particulary in view of huge array of new gps/phones and ppc/gps .

Daniel

JakeRich · 10-05-05, 11:39 PM

Garmin is pushing their own proprietary interface standard when 90% of the universe (maybe more) are settled on the NMEA standard. Same logic applies to SIRF, but they at least have recognized reality and support NMEA universally. Garmin still has their collective heads in the sand and stick with the Garmin protocol. Adds nothing, just locks them out of the more general market. (Or locks YOU into their world, depending on your point of view.) Their market share will never get very large in the PPC environment, but they are probably betting on the single use, in car, not very flexible GPS units providing a cash cow for them. It'll be interesting to see how it plays out. Proprietary systems don't usually succeed very well in today's market. I think Garmin's market share is shrinking, based on the number of new competitors in the market who seem to be doing very well.

danielchtong · 10-06-05, 05:39 AM

Originally Posted by JakeRich

Garmin is pushing their own proprietary interface standard when 90% of the universe (maybe more) are settled on the NMEA standard. Same logic applies to SIRF, but they at least have recognized reality and support NMEA universally. Garmin still has their collective heads in the sand and stick with the Garmin protocol. Adds nothing, just locks them out of the more general market. (Or locks YOU into their world, depending on your point of view.) Their market share will never get very large in the PPC environment, but they are probably betting on the single use, in car, not very flexible GPS units providing a cash cow for them. It'll be interesting to see how it plays out. Proprietary systems don't usually succeed very well in today's market. I think Garmin's market share is shrinking, based on the number of new competitors in the market who seem to be doing very well.

They probably bet on Betamax approach.
Garmin has gps 10 which also handle NMEA + proprietary protocol. Their iQue software still does not handle NMEA.
Same thing happens to Sony approach to Memory Stick. I recall all Sony digicam only came with Memory Stick. And the first Sony digicam (707 I believe ) first came with cf memory back a couple of years ago. And after that alle Sony line comes with dual support. I can see that is probably the outcome in Garmin gps units(all resulting in additional cost to the manufacturer and likely consumers too). The similarity of both (Sony / Garmin) is striking. Quite of bit of both of their products are engineering marvel. Sony caved in on the digicam front. Is Garmin going to as well?

Daniel

JakeRich · 10-06-05, 09:36 AM

Daniel, I put the threads back together again. Seems to make more sense that way.

nealh · 10-06-05, 10:08 AM

Garmin is making a mistake no matter how you look at...there software has excellent, features, POI ..not as fancy maps, slightly slower map redraws and routing...but proven products and excellent support based so far on my experience with dead GPS10

they would be wise to update GPS10 hardware and sell Ique software to allow other gps receivers to work ...it would open market share and only help there future product lines....

Here at aximsite...OCN4/5 is the big product what does it do that Ique software doesnt....fancy look/interface, faster routing, better redraws on the maps

Garmin has well known name..open things up keep prices competitive and while PDA gps is not biggest segment..not lot of great options

danielchtong · 10-06-05, 08:13 PM

Originally Posted by nealh

they would be wise to update GPS10 hardware and sell Ique software to allow other gps receivers to work ...it would open market share and only help there future product lines....

Here at aximsite...OCN4/5 is the big product what does it do that Ique software doesnt....fancy look/interface, faster routing, better redraws on the maps

Likely it is more difficult to develop iQue for NMEA as well for Garmin as there is always the rush to repackage new map data coming from Navtaq or Teleatlas. Somewhat like the example of Sony bringing in CF format for their digicam, it may not be easy given the extra time and development costs.

We Axim users are lucky in having all the options. Come map update time, we have choice of different software and map whereas proprietary format gps does not allow any comparison and third party option.

Daniel