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Old 01-01-09, 11:46 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Anyone tried flashing their Advantage using a cooked ROM?

I've seen a few posts on XDA developers about updating the Advantage ROM. Anyone done this and pleased with the results? I tried with the AP Dual 3.0 my temporarily bricked by X7501 until I reflashed it. I seem to have trouble on Vista doing this, so maybe I should try again on an XP box.
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if it is possible on this device, get HardSPL so you can flash from a mem card.. fewer possibilities of bricking as well as better recovery for if it happens
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Old 01-01-09, 12:53 PM   #3 (permalink)
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You can call me a coward,mentally challenged or whatever
you want,I have read the xda posts for both the 7501 and the ax51v
and all I can conclude is that I run the same apps with the stock rom
with no problems.The infamous cooks are smart people seeking challenges
and while most are great people quite a number are seen as talking
down to the majority of everyday users.
They gain milliseconds in speed and milliamps in battery life
and to me that's no big deal,mine work as designed and all the apps
work-if it ain't broke don't fix it!!

Rant over-happy New Year.
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For the X51v, which I upgraded to the Lenny L11, performance is excellent and some of the built-in menuing features are nice and to date I've had no problems with the ROM.

One of the reasons I was curious about updating the X7501 was that one of the contributors to Gear Diary had done it with excellent results. The particular ROM I was looking at was specially designed to take advantage (no pun intended) of the large screen at 96dpi.
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Breley, I would be very interested to hear how you go with this.

If and when you succeed please give us a bit of a briefing of how it works out.
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For the sake of (personal) scientific inquiry, I'm going to make the attempt today. Box, here is a link to a PDF outlining the steps I will be taking, based on the XDA-Developers thread here for the Athena Project 4 upgrade (AP4.x). I am currently making a full system backup using Sprite Backup, so that in theory I should be able to revert back to my original system in the event of a problem. Assuming I don't brick the thing...

The Advantage has been backed up, and I'm now proceeding with the ROM flashing. I will post my steps, pics and results when I'm finished.

@Bigstr: Yes, I tend to err on the side of caution and have up to this point resisted the temptation to update, but it's more out of curiosity about the process and inherent improvements than a desire for show or frivolous youtubing.:)
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Update:

I originally had intended to flash the Advantage to Athena Project 4, but during the process, the update failed, but after this potential setback, success!

1. First, I backed up my device with Sprite Backup to a storage card, then hard reset the device to start fresh.


I located an XP box. I have found on all my phones that applying patches or updates has been far more successful than on Vista systems, even with UAC disabled. I ensured that ActiveSync 4.5 was installed and paired with the Advantage.

2. Per the previously mentioned PDF's instructions, I downloaded and installed Microsoft's .NET 2.0 (or greater) Framework on said XP system. I believe the latest is .NET 3.5 SP1.

3. From the PDF links, I obtained the necessary radio ROM update as the AP 4 rom does not come with a radio ROM, so in order for the phone/Wifi to work, I had to implement this step first. Here's a screenshot. The first item flashes the device bootloader ROM to

take better advantage of rom updates and device-to-pc connections. With this Unlocker program run from the PC, it's really as simple as 1,2,3...




4. I then downloaded the AP 4 Project ROM and add-ons from XDA-Developers and proceeded to follow the PDF instructions.


Unfortunately (actually fortunately, more on that later), the update failed at 1% with a particular error message that appeared on the PC after 1% of the ROM had been updated. Consequently, the device was now in an unbootable state as after trolling XDA-

Developers I found that I had to download an intermediate special AP 3 ROM as outlined here. Thanks to the radio ROM update, pressing the camera button and soft reset puts the device into an ROM update mode that connects via USB, which I then did. I then downloaded the ap3newspl.zip file, and ran the program, and successfully flashed the ROM. Here's what a ROM flash progress bar looks like:


5. To ensure I could get back to the stock ROM, I reflashed with HTC's ROM off their site, and this worked like a charm. However, to test the AP3, I had to reflash the radio ROM as described in step 3.

6. As I mentioned before, I consider it a blessing in disguise that the AP4 update failed.
On the XDA-Developer site I came across some thread/posts describing how the AP4 ROM was partly based of the X7510's ROM, and that it had a larger partition size that the ROM update adjusted. What this means is that, at present, if you update to AP4, it is IMPOSSIBLE to downgrade your ROM back to stock. This was for me a show-stopper, as I certainly didn't want to permanently lock myself into an custom ROM (though further reading indicated it MAY be possible to get from AP4 to AP3 with some difficulty). Fortunately, I read up on the earlier AP3 ROM, which was backwards convertible to the stock ROM, so I elected to try that.

7. I downloaded the ROM and accessories from this thread, and proceeded to make the attempt again. There was a few tense minutes, but then the bar progress advanced and after a few minute completed. Presto, a custom ROM!

Here you can see what the boot and screens of Athena Project 3 (Black Dual) look like:

Initial boot screen. This replaces the stark white HTC screen.


The OS boot screen, instead of Microsoft's green screen. NB: This changes depending on the DPI you have set. In this case it is the 192 dpi. For 128 or 96 dpi the screens had different graphics and a notation of the current dpi set in the included RealVGA app.



Here is the "stock" AP3 screen.


Followed by ROM/Radio version confirmation.


The Dialer has been slight modified. Note the Video Call button.


The ROM included the TekSoft keboard app. Quite large at 192 dpi!


A new app called Audio Manager was included that bypassed the default Media Player.


For kicks I changed the res to 92 dpi. Now I could see all the programs at once.


There were sundry accessory applications included in the addons file. I installed all of them to gauge their benefit.

Here's the desktop with HTC Home app.


The modified start menu. I didn't care for it myself initially, though I adapted faster than I thought I would. I'd spent too many years going down the menu to have to relearn looking for folders along the top of the menu.:)


Boot time IS noticeably faster, and many of the included apps were very nice. But I kept thinking to myself: If I simply installed some of these apps on the stock ROM, wouldn't I get the bulk of the same benefits? The updated radio ROM, while it was developed to improve reception, nevertheless had a drawback in that bluetooth audio quality was somewhat degraded. For my present use, this wouldn't be a problem for me as I tend to use the X7501 more for internet connectivity than as a phone or mp3/radio player via BT. GPS responsiveness was on par with the stock ROM, but worked flawlessly once it started going. It took a looong time to get a satellite fix the first time.:new_sleep

Many of the accessory apps are designed to run at 96 dpi, which is a bit small for my tastes. I don't have a problem reading the fonts, but some of the buttons seem too small for convenient touch-screen use. A better compromise IMHO is 128 dpi (btw...don't try Pocket Plus on it...their icons won't render correctly), but at 128 dpi and 192 dpi some of the app icons or text get cut off or are too large, and the default COMM Manager get positively mangled at 96 or 128. The new start menu font is unworkable at 192 dpi, though in all honesty I didn't delve too deeply seeing if I could better configure it. I just wanted to do a quick eval.In fairness to the AP3 developers, this is not the fault of the ROM, just the way the apps render via RealVGA.

It's quite impressive how well the XDA-Developers community meshes and puts out some high-quality products that are free for public consumption (though paypal donations are always a good thing to encourage them) and cross-development.

For the most part, I found the AP3 ROM snappy and responsive, but as I mentioned before, I felt my stock ROM was pretty decent, stable and lean to begin with, so after all was said and done I decided to return back to my old ROM for the time being. So here I am, back on my old stock ROM, and happy as a clam. I think Bigtsr hit the nail on the head when he said "if it ain't broke, don't fix it".:approve: There are some improvements, but they are incremental ones, not revolutionary ones. Personally, I think my X7501 has been among the most stable of any of the pocket pcs I've toyed with.

Black is okay for some themes, but I prefer mine a bit brighter.



As an aside, one thing put me off in reading some of the posts...some of the more seasoned members there were either downright rude or condescending to other posters seeking help. I understand the potential frustration in dealing with people unfamiliar with the processes or nuances of the applications (shoot, I work in a multimedia/software development environment), but that kind of behavior tends to drive away members and suppress newbie learning.

Apologies...I will now get off my awkwardly segued soapbox.
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Nice to see you were successful with the endeavor.
I think again that it's great that PK and the many others
have the knowledge and drive to show what can be
accomplished with this device.I have in the past messed up
many of my expensive toys with unauthorized upgrades
only to spend many hours clawing my way back to the norm lol.
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Thanks, Bigtsr. You know what they say: Fools go where angels fear to tread...
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Status update: I'm revisiting the ROM update idea, currently I'm trying the MichyPrima 11/2008 "vanilla-ish" ROM at 128DPI and so far I like it a lot. The X7501 seems to run a bit faster, and the ROM appears more of a polishing update to the device as opposed to a drastic update. I still have my ROM backup of the stock version, so switching back won't be a problem.
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Good to see your still at it trying different paths with 7501.
I have been somewhat slack with it as of late since I installed
the OCN8 sd I won on site.I have taken to trying to implement
Java apps on my Nokia 2680 and the Ax51v,I have them up
and running but as I get older it takes longer for me to grasp
concepts (so my wife tells me).
Good luck and enjoy-

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Anyone tried flashing their Advantage using a cooked ROM?

Thank you for your help. Anyone else have a preference on a HARD SPL? ... Could
you explain what is the major advantage of using your 3.34 HardSPL ... I've been
using it for a while now but I don't flash cooked ROMs much at the moment :) ...
I was Tried a hard reset, doesn't work, I tried flashing a hardspl via the
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HardSPLs can be a matter of choice depending on what you want from your ROM, cooked or otherwise. This link is recommended reading for SPL-related questions, if you haven't seen it already. I am in no way an expert on these matters, just someone curious about its workings like you.

BTW, your last sentence got cut off.
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