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Old 02-04-08, 10:31 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Hi there. Sorry for the newbie question, but the answers I found both here and on Google were either too technical for me or not exactly my question:

The basis for the question is that I am worried about the amount of memory that the HP has and if it is enough for my needs. I know that it has a significant amount of memory, but I may even be willing to wait and get a different model with windows 7 or 8 and a different setup instead of changing my already significant x50v.

My x50v is 2003 SE and it manages its memory relatively simplistically. I understood that a major change in memory managment was supposed to come with the windows 5 (and hence 6, I assume).

When I open my dialog of memory usage in the x50v my 64MB RAM is divided into storage and program memory approximately equally. I say approximately because it can be moved 10-20% here or there temporarily. This often is not enough for me (especially the program memory part). In the built in memory, I have very few stored programs and instead put the majority of my applications (all that I can) onto the SD 4GB card. I have an addition 4gb microdrive CF for other fun things (multimedia mainly).

My device is slow and gets slower when I open my GPS (my igo) and or epocrates (i had to scale back some of the options so as to make it a smaller footprint).

To put it simply, how would the windows 6 deal with these things on the level of the memory? Would I get a significant boost from the 128MB? Is the memory managed differently (i.e. flash rom utilized for program usage as well or something like that?)

Many thanks for any links or a staight answer.

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Old 02-04-08, 12:13 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Ceril View Post
Hi there. Sorry for the newbie question, but the answers I found both here and on Google were either too technical for me or not exactly my question:

The basis for the question is that I am worried about the amount of memory that the HP has and if it is enough for my needs. I know that it has a significant amount of memory, but I may even be willing to wait and get a different model with windows 7 or 8 and a different setup instead of changing my already significant x50v.

My x50v is 2003 SE and it manages its memory relatively simplistically. I understood that a major change in memory managment was supposed to come with the windows 5 (and hence 6, I assume).

When I open my dialog of memory usage in the x50v my 64MB RAM is divided into storage and program memory approximately equally. I say approximately because it can be moved 10-20% here or there temporarily. This often is not enough for me (especially the program memory part). In the built in memory, I have very few stored programs and instead put the majority of my applications (all that I can) onto the SD 4GB card. I have an addition 4gb microdrive CF for other fun things (multimedia mainly).

My device is slow and gets slower when I open my GPS (my igo) and or epocrates (i had to scale back some of the options so as to make it a smaller footprint).

To put it simply, how would the windows 6 deal with these things on the level of the memory? Would I get a significant boost from the 128MB? Is the memory managed differently (i.e. flash rom utilized for program usage as well or something like that?)

Many thanks for any links or a staight answer.

CTB
Actually, your X50V running WM2003SE has two file stores (excluding the SD and CF cards and ROM, of course, which is Read-only): Main Memory and BIS. If you have not been using BIS it is empty, the X50V will not use it for anything unless you explicitly tell it to. Main memory on WM2003SE is used for both program and data storage and as you see gets an artificial line set that you can move about between the two.

WM5 (and WM6) essentially combined all of main memory and BIS into one big chunk of persistent storage (stays around without power, like BIS did, unlike non-persistent WM2003SE storage) that you, and the running programs, can use as needed.

The iPaq may or may not have an additional, internal memory card, called the iPaq file store.

In any case, I used to install everything to BIS on my X50V running WM2003SE and I install everything to Device on my X51v running WM5. Large data stores (e.g.: Docs; MP3s; JPGs; AVIs, ...) I save on the SD and/or CF cards.
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Old 02-04-08, 12:28 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by AKAJohnDoe View Post
The iPaq may or may not have an additional, internal memory card, called the iPaq file store.
The iPaq has a small ~25MB iPaq File Store. The user-available Storage Memory is 162.55MB. I think that should be sufficient for most cases. I have virtually every app loaded there (and I have a lot!) and still have 57MB left. I, too, put the really big databases and multimedia on cards. My free Program Memory with everything loaded is ~80MB. I was down to about 13MB on my X50v, which wasn't enough to run more than a few small apps. No problems now!
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Old 02-04-08, 04:31 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by AKAJohnDoe View Post
The iPaq may or may not have an additional, internal memory card, called the iPaq file store.
The 210 does have an additional iPAQ File Store area. From what I've read from others, it retains its info through a hard reset.
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thanks all. It seems that the mthod in which it manages the memory is better for my uses than the 2003 SE and that takes a lot off of my mind! Now I have to decide to make the plunge or not!
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Sorry, but in your post AKAJohnDoe, you wrote:
the X50V will not use it {BIS memory} for anything unless you explicitly tell it to.

Does that mean that there are ways to utilize the BIS for the storage/program memory on the x50v 2003SE (eg third party app, registry tweak) or do you mean, that unless I store something in it, it won't be used.

I really hope you mean the first!
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Unless you use it... to copy files into, or install software into... it won't be used..

Basically it works the same way as a built in CF/SD card (that you can never take out of your axim)
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yeah. I guessed that. But I supposed it couldn't hurt to ask. Thanks for the quick answer anyway
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No problem....

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Thank you Tanker Bob.
You answered my x50v to 210 memory question too.
I would like to be able to load up the Today screen with apps for once without having to pick others to uninstall.
Thanks again.
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