rob61280

I know this post will probably recieve some sort of back lash from ipaq die hards but.....
I have been considering the loox 720 as an alternative to the hx4700!
apart from the bigger screen what advantages does the hx4700 have over the loox 720, considering the loox has the following features:-
3.6 inch VGA screen
128mb Ram
64mb rom
USB host
VOIP speaker and voip software
530Mhz processor that can be overclocked safely to 624Mhz
A recent history of better updates IE nearly two year old models getting updates!

I know this sounds one sided but I want to know what the ipaq is going to offer and I'm sure this will get me some sort of response.

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R

p.s I have a h2210 and will keep that to

benn600

I honestly think this topic is getting old because I have read so many of these types of posts about how people want a device other than the HX4700. How about the administrators close the HX4700 forum all together until about a week until the devices are GOING TO ship.

Obviously that's not going to happen, but I just thought I'd say it for fun.

I realily think it is a matter of personal opinion and money. The HP is the most expensive ppc and therefore cuts out a lot of consumers. Other than that, you just have to decide what you're going to use it for and then buy. Is the loox like you talked about even out yet? I'm not sure but if it isn't, you should wait until it is released also.

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Loox 720: Advantages:
-USB Host
-Intel Graphics Chip

hx4705: Advantages:
-4.0' VGA
-magnesium alloy casing
-1800/3600mAh battery
-624Mhz Intel processor (overclock to 700Mhz possible)
-price

Personal preferences:
-RAM/ROM allocation
-name brand
-touchpad/D-pad
-form factor


There are set advantages and disadvantages that most people won't argue with. USB Host is actually even a personal preferences, because I don't think I would use it. It's going to come down to if you want the D-pad or touchpad, or how much RAM/ROM you want, or what graphics chip you want.

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benn600

First of all, it's a 4" screen not 4' screen...wow, that would be big. Second, the price is a disadvantage as far as I'm concerned. The name brand doesn't really make sense since I wouldn't consider asus a generic brand. Generic brands simply don't exist in ppc's because they are too new. I wonder if eMachines (which is kind of generic) will ever make a ppc? I wouldn't talk about the overclocking in the HX4700 because that is not an advantage since you can also overclock the asus.

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Originally Posted by benn600

Is the loox like you talked about even out yet? I'm not sure but if it isn't, you should wait until it is released also.

yep some people in france already have them, and they should be in the uk in the next few days, its not asus its fujitsu-siemens so should be good quality, thanks for the info on the pro's and con's I'm afraid the loox 720 doesnt have a graphics chip though.

R

DavidAMDJD

I worry about a product that is not sold in North America. Currently, if I have a problem, I can usually find a local user group for assistance. Or, I can check out the local techies, most of them are happy to help if you treat them with respect (you cannot believe the crap they have to listen to). I took a good look last night at the loox. Fujitsu-Siemens is a highly reputable company, the device "looks" great, but, there are so many advantages to the iPAQ, i.e., additional software, that I am forced to rule out loox as an alternative.

Fortimir

Originally Posted by benn600

First of all, it's a 4" screen not 4' screen...wow, that would be big. Second, the price is a disadvantage as far as I'm concerned. The name brand doesn't really make sense since I wouldn't consider asus a generic brand. Generic brands simply don't exist in ppc's because they are too new. I wonder if eMachines (which is kind of generic) will ever make a ppc? I wouldn't talk about the overclocking in the HX4700 because that is not an advantage since you can also overclock the asus.

-I wouldn't criticize a typo. *rolls eyes* Yes, I meant FOUR FOOT screen. *sarcasm*
-This is a comparison of the Loox 720 and the hx4705, and the hx4705 is $50 cheaper.
-I didn't say generic. I said name brand. As in the brand of the name. I use only Asus for my motherboards... but iPaq is "the" name in PocketPCs, and that is a factor to some.
-Well, you can obviously overclock the Asus. But not to 700MHz. 700 vs. 600 is an advantage.

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ddwhyte

To be honest, I've even been looking at some Tablet PCs which are not TOO MUCH more expensive than the 4700!! HP tc1000

Pros:
Larger Screen 10.4"
Faster processor
Apps
Cool!!

Cons:

Larger size

Whatcha think about this???

Hubtime

Originally Posted by ddwhyte

To be honest, I've even been looking at some Tablet PCs which are not TOO MUCH more expensive than the 4700!! HP tc1000 Pros: Larger Screen 10.4" Faster processor Apps Cool!! Cons: Larger size Whatcha think about this???

In my opionion there is no comparison at all with the exception of the price point. Portability, Portability, Portability...... 10.4" is too big to put in your pocket. The Tablets are in a different class all together and from what I understand that technology is slow to find the share that was broadcast. I really prefer to have the PDA with high end hardware and specs.

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benn600

I thought tablets cost a ton. However, I must agree that it is nice to have a device to stick in your pocket. Hence the name Pocket PC.

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Well, well, well, Ben600 up to his usual stuff here also. Hummmmm

jaydoc05

I cancelled my order on the HX4700(5) and am now waiting on my ordered loox 720

I got tired of waiting for "comming this Fall". My order is slated to ship at least by Wed Sept 16th. Could be sooner, but adamantly claimed by the UK store to be no later.

Yes, if the thing screws up, I will have to ship it over the "BIG LAKE", but that USB host is hard to deny its usefulness. IE, for powerpoint presentations, one can view, edit and port the file on a thumbdrive. Then, load it onto the desktop.

Camera does kinda of suck, but when you get into that fender bender, see Elvis, or that Delorean, you might as well get a pic of it. Better than a cell phone camera.

HX4700 touch pad, too risky for me

4inch screen? That thing is large, may not be a factor, but only personal assessment will solve that question

Personally, we are all obsessing about this stuff way too much. Obviously we don't get out much if this occupies so much time. Who gives a real S#$T when anything comes out. The sun will still come up.

ddwhyte

Originally Posted by jaydoc05

I cancelled my order on the HX4700(5) and am now waiting on my ordered loox 720 I got tired of waiting for "comming this Fall". My order is slated to ship at least by Wed Sept 16th. Could be sooner, but adamantly claimed by the UK store to be no later. Yes, if the thing screws up, I will have to ship it over the "BIG LAKE", but that USB host is hard to deny its usefulness. IE, for powerpoint presentations, one can view, edit and port the file on a thumbdrive. Then, load it onto the desktop. Camera does kinda of suck, but when you get into that fender bender, see Elvis, or that Delorean, you might as well get a pic of it. Better than a cell phone camera. HX4700 touch pad, too risky for me 4inch screen? That thing is large, may not be a factor, but only personal assessment will solve that question Personally, we are all obsessing about this stuff way too much. Obviously we don't get out much if this occupies so much time. Who gives a real S#$T when anything comes out. The sun will still come up.

Good luck with the loox. Let us know how you like it...

benn600

Exactly my point jaydoc05. I said in another forum that the administrators should close down the HX4700 forum until about a week before it will ship. All most people are doing now is saying, "I think I want the HX4700 but I think I want the loox but I think I want the Dell - please give me attention" Then they end up with tens of responses from people and there are 53 threads and 536 posts already! This is before anyone other than CNet has actually seen the device! I'm not asking you to lock a thread temporarily. I'm asking you to lock the entire HX4700 forum--obviously that won't happen and it probably shouldn't, but it's just something to think about.

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Originally Posted by jaydoc05

... but that USB host is hard to deny its usefulness. IE, for powerpoint presentations, one can view, edit and port the file on a thumbdrive. Then, load it onto the desktop. Personally, we are all obsessing about this stuff way too much. Obviously we don't get out much if this occupies so much time. Who gives a real S#$T when anything comes out. The sun will still come up.

Jay,

Hey man I don't quite know if that is accurate regarding the USB host. First of all I believe that native files from the PDA to the PC, or vice-versa, go through a conversion via Activesync software because the native code of the PPC versions (i.e., Powerpoint, Word, Excel, etc) is different, albeit compatible. Therefore a direct swap without Activesync conversion may not work. I'm not sure though that is just what I understand.

Secondly, the USB host is fantastic. I wish they would include it on the HX but it is also my understanding that you will need compatible drivers that will work on the PDA in order to use USB devices, maybe even Thumbdrives. No drivers.... Maybe "No go". This is just what I understand to be true. If I am wrong and there is some knowledge please let me know.



Also, regarding the comment about "Obsessing too much".... well I can tell you that I don't believe that to be the case really. This whole Website came to fruition largely due to the love of PDA's. Techno-fobes, geeks, those who want solutions, those who want ideas, software, accessories, etc. We love it here man! I love sports but I also love technology, it is my hobby. For someone who loves technological advances, you always enjoy the evolution and look intently at the next "Big Thing