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Old 06-24-05, 07:34 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Finally! I found a good forum for this thing!
Hi everyone, I just got my masters degree this summer and as a gift (didn't think you get them at this stage anymore!) was this hx4705!

Two issues though....

1. I've always been a palm user - still carry my treo 650 around...

2. I use macs

--- Please no bashing because I'm probably the smallest minority here using both Palm and Macs! haha

Anyway, I'm glad to have found these forums as I'm trying to integrate the PPC into my routine...

Problems though that I've been having...

1. Installing programs... No PC (Just virtual PC on the mac but activesync won't install for some reason). I'm begging developers for .cab versions - sigh....

2. Syncing - I'm still waiting for Markspace to update their missing sync software for pocket pc devices - When they do, I'm all over it!

3. Wondering if I can get this ROM update even though I don't have a PC... Is this doable?

Thanks everyone

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Old 06-24-05, 08:37 PM   #2 (permalink)
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biosci,

Welcome to the site. About all I know about the MAC is how to spell it.

As for getting the ROM update, you pretty much have to have ActiveSync running to install the update.

Dell has some nice Celeron systems for under $400 right now. (Did I just use Celeron and nice in the same sentence?)
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I'm afraid I'm almost as bad as GeekyGuy with respect to MACs (I know a little more than how to spell it, but not much). Our sister site, Aximsite, has a forum dedicated to MACs with the PPC. You'll see a lot of the same faces over there and many of the issues with PPCs are not device specific.
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Originally Posted by biosci
Hi everyone, I just got my masters degree this summer and as a gift (didn't think you get them at this stage anymore!) was this hx4705!

Two issues though....

1. I've always been a palm user - still carry my treo 650 around...

2. I use macs

--- Please no bashing because I'm probably the smallest minority here using both Palm and Macs! haha

Anyway, I'm glad to have found these forums as I'm trying to integrate the PPC into my routine...

Problems though that I've been having...

1. Installing programs... No PC (Just virtual PC on the mac but activesync won't install for some reason). I'm begging developers for .cab versions - sigh....

2. Syncing - I'm still waiting for Markspace to update their missing sync software for pocket pc devices - When they do, I'm all over it!

3. Wondering if I can get this ROM update even though I don't have a PC... Is this doable?

Thanks everyone

Mike
Welcome to the site!

1. Besides using .CAB's I don't see a way of installing apps using MAC sync software.

2. Outside of Markspace's Missing Sync there is also Pocket MAC. You can view it here. Of the two most people using Missing Sync.

3. Not sure if it is possible.
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Old 06-25-05, 12:28 AM   #5 (permalink)
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One cute little program that you will want to look at is "PocketCopy" which will copy Palm desktop data into any Microsoft Outlook file and Microsoft ActiveSync (included in your hx4705 software) will load the data into your hx4705. There is a version of Outlook which can be installed on your Mac. (If you are not not framiliar with Outlook, it is one of the most universal PIM's used throughout the business world and is also a component of Microsoft Office for both PCs and Macs.) Your hx4705 includes a version of Outlook 2002 (but is compatible with the Outlook 2003 that I use on my WinXP laptop). For details, screenshots and downloads go to: http://tinyurl.com/dumzy .
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You aren't missing much by not upgrading the ROM. In fact I downgraded back to the old one due mainly to wireless connectivity problems
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Old 06-25-05, 03:33 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Another Mac guy to the rescue....

Activesync will install. It just takes longer than on a real PC for some reason. Run the installer and then leave it alone, even when it looks like it's locked up. It might take half the night to finish installing, but it will. Once it is installed there are no performance issues.

If you panicked like I did the first time you tried to install and aborted the installer then it may even take longer for the installer to complete. Let it run over night, if need be and don't worry if the installer screen looks like the program has frozen.

If you search the forums carefully enough, you should find verification that this is the case. I have been using Activesync 3.8 on a G5 Powermac for a couple months now. I totally gave up on getting Missing Sync to work as it doesn't handle categories properly.

The problem with categories comes from some programs/devices not recognizing categories, some recognizing categories but only allowing one at a time, and some allowing multiple categories. As a result, categories are ignored during syncing and can get mixed up when using Missing Sync.

Some other important stuff you should know:

If you decide to apply the update and you have Missing Sync installed, it could interrupt the process and turn your IPAQ into a paperweight. Make sure you uninstall Missing Sync before attempting the update.

There is an issue with the update that turns extended batteries into really big standard batteries. If you have an extended battery do not apply the update, it's not worth losing your extended battery over. If you do apply the update and then use your extended battery, even when you revert, the battery still only has half the capacity it should have. The only way to get full capacity is to replace it with an extended battery that has not been "exposed" to the new ROM.

In either case, you should still install Activesync as you will need it to install programs. I suggest you also use it to sync to Outlook as this will back up your data more accurately, for example, maintaining appointment categories. Activesync, will work better than Missing Sync, but remember, it's Microsoft, which means that the defaults are quite often not set to what they should be for practically anyone who uses it. For example, Activesync can do a back up of your entire RAM, just like Palm Desktop does, but unlike Palm Desktop, the default is not to do this automatically. You need to select the back-up menu and turn it on. Some of the "conduits" that you would take for granted as being turned on might also not be turned on, so look really carefully at all the preferences to make sure they are set the way you want.
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Thanks everyone including Possum! VPC is in the background now 'installing' and I'm here waiting - I think I'll continue with my life now! haha

The new version of Missing Sync will supposedly support syncing of all categories etc - Info from Missing Sync Pocket PC Mailing lists - So I can't wait for that!

Crossing my fingers!!

Oh just a note, I tried installing a .cab version of SPB Pocket Plus yesterday and I think it's on version 2.5 but when installing the .cab file which I downloaded from handangos mobile site, the pocket pc said that it was installing a file that was older than what was designed for the OS or something... It slowed the iPaq down considerably and I couldn't tap the 'X' button to close apps. I reset, and looked at the version number and it showed up as version 1.xx I uninstalled it... Anyone else have this issue?

Thanks again everyone!

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Originally Posted by biosci
Thanks everyone including Possum! VPC is in the background now 'installing' and I'm here waiting - I think I'll continue with my life now! haha

The new version of Missing Sync will supposedly support syncing of all categories etc - Info from Missing Sync Pocket PC Mailing lists - So I can't wait for that!

Crossing my fingers!!

Oh just a note, I tried installing a .cab version of SPB Pocket Plus yesterday and I think it's on version 2.5 but when installing the .cab file which I downloaded from handangos mobile site, the pocket pc said that it was installing a file that was older than what was designed for the OS or something... It slowed the iPaq down considerably and I couldn't tap the 'X' button to close apps. I reset, and looked at the version number and it showed up as version 1.xx I uninstalled it... Anyone else have this issue?

Thanks again everyone!

Mike
That message is normal. What's happening is you are installing a version that is not optimized for WM2003SE. As long as it supports WM2003 it will work but you will get that message.
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