imported_Flip

Added MediaChest.

imported_MusicMan

Originally Posted by ihsan125

update-------dopisp will covert unprotected wma's to the ipod,you have to make a adjustment in the plug-in menu. the same is true for mp3's over 192kbps. wmp11 is still growing on me, but this plug-in is def worth the 15dollars.

Why pay $15, iTunes will do that for free.

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ihsan125

is this that merouby character?

take a look at the thread title, obviously people are willing to pay to get their music onto an ipod using wmp11 instead of that p.o.s. itunes.

TheBigNewt

Originally Posted by ihsan125

is this that merouby character? take a look at the thread title, obviously people are willing to pay to get their music onto an ipod using wmp11 instead of that p.o.s. itunes.

Nope. That's MusicMan, a longtime poster here. Some may not remember him because he's been hidden for a long time. I remember.

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imported_Flip

He's from way back, around the time when this was DigitalMusicSite, IIRC.

And yeah, did you notice the thread title, chief?

imported_MusicMan

If you think it's better to pay $15 for a plug-in that only does what iTunes does for free then that's your decision. However, regarding the title of the thread, it doesn't actually say whether these are alternatives to managing the transfer or tagging of music on an iPod or for people who don't even want iTunes on their computer at all. It that's the case, will any of these alternatives also download and install iPod firmware updates?

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Lacene

Is that ultimately necessary? Most firmware updates are for added synchronization features between the iPod and iTunes/iTMS (gapless, games, movies), which in this case would be cut out of the picture, along with iTunes itself....at any rate, I understood Flip's OP enough that the middleware he was listing was strictly for straight-syncing music onto the iPod, without iTunes.

Correct me if I'm wrong, Flip......

imported_Flip

You're correct. This is only for programs that can sync music. Some can do photos and videos as well (Floola), but I wanted one unifying feature that they all shared. That's why programs like CopyPod (iPod -> PC music transfer) aren't on the list.

Also, MusicMan, wmPod is a free Windows Media Player plugin. Sorry you missed that through your fog of closed-mindedness.

imported_MusicMan

Originally Posted by Flip

Also, MusicMan, wmPod is a free Windows Media Player plugin. Sorry you missed that through your fog of closed-mindedness.

ihsan125 wasn't talking about wmpod though, he mentioned dopisp.

I simply suggested using iTunes to convert unprotected WMAs, was it necessary to add that last bit?

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imported_Flip

Originally Posted by MusicMan

I simply suggested using iTunes to convert unprotected WMAs, was it necessary to add that last bit?

Yes, because you don't seem to understand the point here. This thread is actually about not using iTunes. Using iTunes would, therefore, contradict the point.

imported_MusicMan

Originally Posted by Flip

Yes, because you don't seem to understand the point here. This thread is actually about not using iTunes. Using iTunes would, therefore, contradict the point.

If there is an iPod firmware update, how would a user apply that update if they never had iTunes at least installed? I thought that some people just objected to using iTunes on an every day basis to manage their music, not that they were refusing to install it on their computer at all. I apologise for offering information that would have saved users such as ihsan125 $15, it won't happen again.

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Lacene

Originally Posted by MusicMan

ihsan125 wasn't talking about wmpod though, he mentioned dopisp. I simply suggested using iTunes to convert unprotected WMAs, was it necessary to add that last bit?

how do you understand that, but also fail to understand that ihsan's opinion - and he expressed it clearly - was that the $15 was a bargain, and preferable, to him compared to using iTunes. After that point was made, just blindly suggesting to ihsan to get iTunes instead is not the most intelligent response....

Originally Posted by MusicMan

If there is an iPod firmware update, how would a user apply that update if they never had iTunes at least installed? I thought that some people just objected to using iTunes on an every day basis to manage their music, not that they were refusing to install it on their computer at all. I apologise for offering information that would have saved users such as ihsan125 $15, it won't happen again.

If the firmware updates primarily involve improving interactivity between the iPod and iTunes, and this thread is for those who prefer NOT to use iTunes, then what purpose would the firmware updates serve? If the "some" number of people referred to here do not choose to use iTunes, then what purpose does installing a resource-hogging program (iTunes) onto their PC serve them, especially if they may already be choosing to use another resource-hogging program (WMP11) as their media manager?

I must say, these points of debate are not the most thought-out.......

imported_dino

Actually, firmware updates could and have introduced updates that don't require iTunes. Besides, one could presumably keep iTunes on their machine for that occasional firmware check and then use any software they please.

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Lacene

Originally Posted by dino

Actually, firmware updates could and have introduced updates that don't require iTunes. Besides, one could presumably keep iTunes on their machine for that occasional firmware check and then use any software they please.

yes, there have been one or two that added interoperability between the iPod and some accessory items, such as remote-controled speaker docks, but by and large they have been for feature updates for iTunes or the iTMS interactivity, or feature updates for the iPod that REQURE iTunes interactivity.

Flip was just providing options with this thread. It would be an odd and somewhat detached response to someone who dislikes iTunes so much that they prefer work-arounds (what this thread is about), to just say, "install iTunes anyways, and keep it on your PC, but don't use it".

It's just as odd to respond to someone who stated that he dislikes iTunes so much that he would rather pay $15 for a work-around program, by saying "save your $15, and just get iTunes".

Why not just download iTunes when you see a feature update you want for your iPod, and then afterwards uninstall iTunes?

imported_MusicMan

Fine, I will refrain in the future from offering any advice.

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