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Old 05-31-06, 11:08 PM   #46 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by player911
When is Netfront ever gonna release its final version? I think if I spent 30 bucks on a broswer, i'd spend it on something that has built in java, flash support, and high resolution thingy that Netfront does.

Last I heard Netfront said it was suppose to be released end of May.... so where is it?
yes, it has been released here in Japan already - online sales started yesterday (May 31st).

being a registered owner of 3.2 - i got the upgrade to 3.3 for about US$10
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Old 06-01-06, 01:20 AM   #47 (permalink)
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Jury is still out

I have just loaded the full paid for version of Opera 8.60, must say looks better than Netfront and IE on my Dell Axim X50V WM2003SE, can't seem to get java to work on my webcam site on www.geoff2000.com which seems to view great on Netfront . The regular BBC news site looks great on it though, well as I paid I hope I get free upgrades, G
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Old 06-01-06, 04:49 AM   #48 (permalink)
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From what i know Opera doesnt support the abobe flash 7 plug in that IE does.

I installed Opera on my HTC Wizard last night (i left my Axim at work) and i thought that in comparison to IE it was generaly slower, and took longer to download pages than IE does. Hopefully i will not forget my Axim tonight so i can give it a try on that.
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Have they fixed the double space bug when entering text?
Yup, fixed.
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Old 06-01-06, 04:56 AM   #50 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Cirrob
I demo'd Opera Beta. It was nice but I settled on PIEplus Because of all the surfing features. for mobile browsing it just Can't be beat imo.
The new, 2.0 version of PIEPlus (see my review here at AximSite) is indeed great. Too bad it's built on the, by default, slow and incompatible underlying IEM/PIE browser and, tehrefore, can't fix its problems (slow rendering of pages, pixel doubling) and incompatibility (it's much less compatible with JavaScript than Opera Mobile - see for example the latest bug/incompatibility report here).

Speed- and JavaScript-compatibility-wise, IMHO, Opera Mobile just can't be beaten.
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Old 06-01-06, 05:10 AM   #51 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by player911
When is Netfront ever gonna release its final version? I think if I spent 30 bucks on a broswer, i'd spend it on something that has built in java, flash support, and high resolution thingy that Netfront does.

Last I heard Netfront said it was suppose to be released end of May.... so where is it?
I've reported on the final Japanese version being online yesterday; Access says the English version will be also released in a few days. They haven't answered my mail so far; hope they soon will.
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Old 06-01-06, 05:11 AM   #52 (permalink)
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hi all ! can you save images with this version ?
Nope. You can access the files in the local cache, though.
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Old 06-01-06, 05:15 AM   #53 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by FallN
Same problems as others have noted with scrolling.
This can be very easily fixed. See the "Opera 8.5b2" section in the article How do I modify the default scrolling behaviour of Web browsers?.

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Same problem with Opera forcing cache and cookies in Main Memory and eating a sh*t load of precious space with no way to force Opera to save that garbage to your SD/CF card...
This can also very easily be fixed by some manual config file editing.
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YES, I AM SURPRIZED WITH SUCH A BUGGY FINAL RELEASE! IM ON X50V WM2003-SE AND DOWNLOADED THE SAME HOPING IT MUST BE GREAT NOW. SORRY, THAT IS WHAT I AM.

(1) LONG PAGES ARE CROUMBLED OR WHAT YOU CALL IT!
This seems to be a generic problem with the x50v + WM2003SE combination; strange the WM2003SE devices I've been testing Opera Mobile don't result in this problem (unlike the old beta2). Can you provide me some URL's?

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(2) ALL GARBAGE OF CACHE DUMPED TO MAIN MEMORY ON MY WM2003-SE
Easily fixed - please use the forum search engine, this has been discussed several times; for example here.

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(3) DEVICE AND EATS UP PERFORMANCE OF MY DEVICE.
Could you provide CPU usage results with a reliable CPU usage meter? I've been testing the CPU usage of the browser on all my test devices and have found no CPU usage bugs (unlike with a lot of other Pocket PC programs).

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(4) TAKES TOO LONG TO LOAD A PAGE THAT BETA VERSIONS.
Can you give me some URL's? I'd really welcome "problematic" URL's so that I can test these pages before I publish my review.
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I agree with most of you guys. Opera just doesn't have the feature set of Netfront. I think the best combination is PIE (with PIEPlus/MultiIE) + Netfront.

Agreed. NetFront 3.3 has a lot of add-on goodies like image / page saving, link target copy to the clipboard etc. I wish, however, that it was as fast an as compliant (!) as Opera Mobile and it was as memory and other resource-friendly.

Opera Mobile just can't be beaten in the compliance department, let it be HTML (see my bug reports of NetFront here), JavaScript (see this new compliance report here at the AximSite forums) or plain HTTP (NetFront is slightly buggy when it comes to caching (albeit it has been fixed to some degree since version 3.1) or taking DST into account with cookie handling).

That is, you need to choose between being full of additional goodies like image saving/link copying, page saving, with the commercial version, (not very good though) Java/Flash support, text search in pages (NetFront) AND a fast(er), clean(er) and (much more) compliant underlying HTML/HTTP/JavaScript engine (Opera Mobile).

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I am guessing it still doesn't have a built in landscape (for WM2003 and below)...
Yeah, it doesn't - this is a big problem with ALL the Pocket PC web browsers utilizing their own rendering engine. (It's understandable why PIE plug-ins, which need to use PIE's engine, can't render stuff in Landscape; stand-alone browsers, on the other hand, could support Landscape.) Hope this would be fixed in Opera Mobile. (I don't think Access will fix this in NetFront - I've been telling them to do this for a year and they still haven't done anything.)

(BTW, unfortunately, none of the new browsers - excluding Thunderhawk - are PCP2k/PPC2k2 compliant.)
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I have just loaded the full paid for version of Opera 8.60, must say looks better than Netfront and IE on my Dell Axim X50V WM2003SE, can't seem to get java to work on my webcam site on www.geoff2000.com which seems to view great on Netfront . The regular BBC news site looks great on it though, well as I paid I hope I get free upgrades, G

Java (NOT JavaScript! The JavaScript support of Opera Mobile is far better than that of NetFront or PIE - see my compliance reports and tests) is not supported by Opera.
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any bugs youve encountered in NF 3.3 (Final version perhaps)...?

here is what ive gotten on Day 1:
a still buggy NF 3.3, or something else?
what do you think?

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Menneisyys

any bugs youve encountered in NF 3.3 (Final version perhaps)...?

here is what ive gotten on Day 1:
a still buggy NF 3.3, or something else?
what do you think?

cheers!!!
There are no web browsers without bugs - and NetFront is no exception. See the articles linked from here - I've linked in quite a few of my bug reports.

(They're all about the trial (1.06D2) version of NF 3.3. The final version may be different - but I seriously doubt it.)
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This can be very easily fixed. See the "Opera 8.5b2" section in the article How do I modify the default scrolling behaviour of Web browsers?.



This can also very easily be fixed by some manual config file editing.
Another great tip. Thank you.
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