Maxim5

They built the best cases around the best machines!

radimus

if best = slowest and most expensive

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Maxim5

Originally Posted by Duwenbasden

>What about recording realtime video? A pain in the neck to find the software that is >working with my hardware. Vegas 7, link it to camcorder, done. Doesn't get any more simpler than this. Even simpler if the cam supports av-in.

First of all: TV-recording!
Second: once you know which is the right one for you, stupid, things become easy. Before that, you have to try, spend money, waste time!

Maxim5

Originally Posted by radimus

if best = slowest and most expensive

Most expensive = true, it's for successfull people

'slowest': read post above, summ up wasted time on PC trying, Apple will be the faster machine!

Jumbie

Originally Posted by Maxim5

Most expensive = true, it's for successfull people

lmao, are you even for real??

Duwenbasden

looks like pana3ccduser.com SD VS HD cams again... :realmad:

You know what that means... Debating with a fanboy often leads to nowhere.

Nice fallacy to hide that Apple's suite of software is severely lacking.

yevgenie

Well, I do have to admit that Apple's ads work.
Sometimes I wonder whether the i in iMac, iPod, iPhone stands for idiot. Hear me out. For years, Apple has been selling desktop machines with only one button mice. Finally, after dealing with several Mac fans "forced" to use a computer at work, it struck me how simple the design was. These "Mac-lifers" had trouble using two-button mice. With the Mac, you can't get it wrong! There is only one button. Any idiot can click it.

yevgenie

I have been using computers and writing software for about 25 years. I have never had a virus, trojan, or worm attack my home machine. I have used various flavors of unix (and linux and bsd), from AIX and HPUX to FreeBSD and six linux distros. I have also used MS Windows. My greatest frustration has come from using the "MacOS" a.k.a. "crippled OS".
Maybe I'm just an exception; but I can only speak from my own experience.

Howard2k

Originally Posted by yevgenie

Well, I do have to admit that Apple's ads work. Sometimes I wonder whether the i in iMac, iPod, iPhone stands for idiot. Hear me out. For years, Apple has been selling desktop machines with only one button mice. Finally, after dealing with several Mac fans "forced" to use a computer at work, it struck me how simple the design was. These "Mac-lifers" had trouble using two-button mice. With the Mac, you can't get it wrong! There is only one button. Any idiot can click it.

Oh. My. God.

Apple has had multiple mice button support for years.

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Originally Posted by yevgenie

I have been using computers and writing software for about 25 years. I have never had a virus, trojan, or worm attack my home machine. I have used various flavors of unix (and linux and bsd), from AIX and HPUX to FreeBSD and six linux distros. I have also used MS Windows. My greatest frustration has come from using the "MacOS" a.k.a. "crippled OS". Maybe I'm just an exception; but I can only speak from my own experience.

This is really leading nowhere. You guys know what I mean and you know I am right!

Maxim5

OK,let's put it this way:
There's 2 different philisophies:
MS: offer the maximum amount of possibilities to the user - but with no simplifications, making it impossible for the non-geek to make use of the possibilities.
Apple: offer the maximum amount of usability - whatever function is supported, it's usable for everyone
Unix/Linux: same as MS, except they offer even more possibilties, making it impossible for the non-geek to even install the OS properly

jevans64

Short iPhone post... Not impressed...

OS debate...

There are advantages / disadvantages to both OSX and MS Win. Sure. I'll give Apple credit for a fairly stable OS but they don't have to worry about having to troubleshoot for literally THOUSANDS of possible system configurations. That is the path they are taking by being the sole provider of base hardware solutions. That also allows them to charge a premium for "style." A win-win for them.

I am willing to give up that "advantage" to put what I want when I want into a rig I can build on the cheap. I like to game every now-and-then, so a Mac is a no-show on that front.

Owning a PC instead of a Mac is the sign of being a geek. You really have to learn SOMETHING about how your machine works when owning a WinTel box. That's a plus in my book. That's part of the fun. :) Who wants a computer that runs just a few tailored applications 100% of the time? Not me.

The time argument is valid but the cost is probably lower since I have yet to come across many instances where there wasn't at least some sort of trial period for software. The exceptions are stuff only available on discs. Mac software is usually more expensive because of that 2% thing again.

Virii and other net nasties are part of being the 98%. Who wants to write malicious code for the 2% user base? NO ONE. I can assure you that if the situation were reversed that Apple machines would be virus havens and PCs wouldn't even need AV or firewalls.

OK. So OSX can now use 2-button mice with scroll wheel. I like my Logitech mouse with two clickers, wheel, and SIX programmable buttons. Again. Any retail outlet has literally 100 kinds PC mice but maybe 6 for Mac. Video cards. I won't even go there. The last time I checked the Mac 6800GT was $600 and the PC one was $300. No G80 ( not needed for Doom 3 or Civ 4 ) and the 7900GTX-based Quadro FX4500 is $1650. I didn't spend THAT much on my ENTIRE C2D E6600 / 8800GTX / 2 GB setup.

Apple products are always the same... a form and function lacking versatility.

Howard2k

I don't get it why people who clearly know very little about a product STILL insist on bashing it, even at the risk of their own credibility. It's stunning. Some times people just need to accept that they don't know everything.

Originally Posted by jevans64

I'll give Apple credit for a fairly stable OS but they don't have to worry about having to troubleshoot for literally THOUSANDS of possible system configurations.

Fairly stable OS? Have you ever used it? Although the OS X BSOD (a Kernel Panic - they even have a name for it) does exist. I've never seen one. I've read on forums that people have had them etc. But in my 2 years of using a Mac as my primary home computer it has never happened. Not even once. It's a rock solid OS. XP is a fairly stable OS. And all credit to Microsoft on that one. Like you mentioned, all those possible hardware configurations etc. But at the end of the day, OS X is a seriously stable OS. When was the last time you had a kernel panic? I'm going to guess never, since you're not a regular Mac user. So you're basing you "fairly stable" comment on..??

Originally Posted by jevans64

I like to game every now-and-then, so a Mac is a no-show on that front.

Absolutely. OS X pretty much sucks for gaming. I imagine with the Intel shift that might change. But to buy a Mac as a gaming platform you'd have to be pretty silly..

Originally Posted by jevans64

Owning a PC instead of a Mac is the sign of being a geek. You really have to learn SOMETHING about how your machine works when owning a WinTel box. That's a plus in my book. That's part of the fun. :) Who wants a computer that runs just a few tailored applications 100% of the time? Not me.

Again, I'm pretty sure you don't really know what you're talking about. "A few tailored applications"? I guess you're thinking that desktop OS X is like the iPhone OS X implementation that only allows select Apple authorized applications?

Why don't you explain the OS X / UNIX relationship and the effect on application compilation and development.

Originally Posted by jevans64

Mac software is usually more expensive because of that 2% thing again.

I'm guessing you've never bought Mac software either. Doing a software comparison CAN be tricky because sometimes application development cycles mean that products are released on one platform in front of another. This in turn means that a particular software release version may be discounted on one platform vs another too.

Quickbooks Pro 2007 for example retails for the same amount on both platforms. Adobe Creative 2.3 retails for the same price on both platforms.

Originally Posted by jevans64

Virii and other net nasties are part of being the 98%. Who wants to write malicious code for the 2% user base? NO ONE. I can assure you that if the situation were reversed that Apple machines would be virus havens and PCs wouldn't even need AV or firewalls.

You are obviously not familiar with many of the security features that have existed in OS X forever and are now coming to Vista. Although certainly you have a point on the "target market" area, your lack of understanding of OS X means you don't understand why it genuinely is more secure than XP. That's ok, nothing to be ashamed of.

Originally Posted by jevans64

OK. So OSX can now use 2-button mice with scroll wheel. I like my Logitech mouse with two clickers, wheel, and SIX programmable buttons.

Had I known that I needed to spell it out so clearly since so many people who clearly had no significant exposure to OS X would pick up the torch and run with it, I would have.

Right now I'm using a Logtitech MX500 on my Mac. It has 8 buttons and a scroll wheel. And they all work.

Maybe for your next trick you can tell us that OS X can't play DVDs. Or doesn't include XP's user switching.

It's really kinda silly. If you choose not to use OS X then it's fine. You shouldn't need to feel so intimidated that you have to make stuff up or try to put the OS down, based on stuff that you really don't know. Stick to XP and Vista and be happy. I'm secure enough to use both OS X And XP/Vista, but clearly not everyone is. No big deal. Stick to what you like.

I choose not to drive American cars, but I don't feel the need to make up stuff about a Chevrolet that I've never owned.

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So will there be a BT phone for my new Zune :)

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Originally Posted by yevgenie

Well, I do have to admit that Apple's ads work. Sometimes I wonder whether the i in iMac, iPod, iPhone stands for idiot. Hear me out. For years, Apple has been selling desktop machines with only one button mice. Finally, after dealing with several Mac fans "forced" to use a computer at work, it struck me how simple the design was. These "Mac-lifers" had trouble using two-button mice. With the Mac, you can't get it wrong! There is only one button. Any idiot can click it.

Besides you, is there a joke in your post?