One question about WM6: it was noted (either here or on another thread) that Dell suposedly doesnt care if we run WM6. IS that any kind of protection if somone were to chat/email/etc dell support and have proof that one of their reps said "it's fine with us if you run WM6 on your Axim"? Also if such a document were to be submitted to aximsite, would it lift the ban on WM6 discussion?
It would certainly be something that we would discuss.
We would firstly need, however, to contact someone from Dell (and Microsoft!) to verify the assertion ourselves. Only after that would a change in our policy become a possibility.
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Let's not forget that WM6 is owned by Microsoft, not Dell. So, realistically, there is no reason for Dell to care. Microsoft, on the other hand, would likely have something to say about the matter...
Let's not forget that WM6 is owned by Microsoft, not Dell. So, realistically, there is no reason for Dell to care. Microsoft, on the other hand, would likely have something to say about the matter...
True. My appoligies for the foolish question. I do wish somone would find a way to purchase WM6 lisences from MS...
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That's a contradiction in terms, I'm afraid. And how, exactly, is WM6 like "grandma's clock?" If you managed to find an unlicenced copy of Vista to put on your phased-out desktop at home, is that like building a plane out of grandad's watch? What's the difference?
We're entirely in favour of innovation, as long as it's legal.
I cannot buy WM6 for any of the Dell Axim's. There is NO legal way for me to acquire it. Microsoft wants me to through out my old Axim and buy a new PDA/Smartphone that is "licensed" for use with WM6.
It is as if GM decided that their 2002 cars are suddenly not compatible with 2007 tyres and the only way to drive on the road within legal limits is to buy a new car.
By the way: I bought Vista Business and installed it on my old PC (P4/3GHz). This is perfectly fine and I have no reason nor need to venture outside of standard business practice boundaries.
It is as if GM decided that their 2002 cars are suddenly not compatible with 2007 tyres and the only way to drive on the road within legal limits is to buy a new car.
That sounds very good if you say it fast enough. But it is a logical fallacy.
The proper analogy would be: your GM car has either 2002, 2003 or 2005 tyres on it, with the possible option to upgrade from 2003 (or 2002) to 2005 tyres. GM then brings out a whole new line of tyres for 2007, but unfortunately they won't be made for your car. You are, however, still absolutely allowed to drive on the road within legal limits with your GM car equipped with 2002, 2003 or 2005 tyres.
If there is no legal way to acquire WM6 for your Axim, then the obvious answer is that you cannot acquire it. The same goes for most items of property, whether they are intellectual, personal or real.
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That sounds very good if you say it fast enough. But it is a logical fallacy.
The proper analogy would be: your GM car has either 2002, 2003 or 2005 tyres on it, with the possible option to upgrade from 2003 (or 2002) to 2005 tyres. GM then brings out a whole new line of tyres for 2007, but unfortunately they won't be made for your car. You are, however, still absolutely allowed to drive on the road within legal limits with your GM car equipped with 2002, 2003 or 2005 tyres.
If there is no legal way to acquire WM6 for your Axim, then the obvious answer is that you cannot acquire it. The same goes for most items of property, whether they are intellectual, personal or real.
Yes, this sounds plausible but is missing the point.
The reason why WM6 on Axim is illegal is not because it would cause personal injury, endanger market economy or erode Microsoft profits. This is what the laws are supposed to protect.
In WM6 case the law is applied to keep the money wheel spinning faster and force the end users to abandon the perfectly WM6 capable hardware if they wish to upgrade from the previous version. It is a form of marketing strategy and using laws in this way is plainly wrong.
In PC world this is unacceptable, computers are not exclusively licensed to run certain OS with a complete ban on cross upgrades, so why should it become a norm in PDA's?
If I decide to go for a WM6 upgrade I need to acquire a lot of knowledge and learn how to use the discussion forums to debug possible problems. I may also discover that the community provides better support than some big companies. And if WM6 is not up to standard I can always downgrade to WM5.
I can also spend a few hundred dollars on a new device with "licensed" WM6 and be completely disappointed with the outcome while having no downgrade option.
I think we're getting into the realm of jurisprudential reasoning now, and that's probably unnecessary.
As long as you accept that obtaining a WM6 ROM for your Axim is illegal, there's no further need to discuss the point. We are obviously not going to allow, condone or encourage illegal practices on this site.
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I think we're getting into the realm of jurisprudential reasoning now, and that's probably unnecessary.
As long as you accept that obtaining a WM6 ROM for your Axim is illegal, there's no further need to discuss the point. We are obviously not going to allow, condone or encourage illegal practices on this site.
I think we have both made our points here. I will vote with my feet at this stage.
The world has moved on and this site has gone out of touch, which is sad to see after all these years. But this usually happens when the lawyers get involved. I can imagine how hard it is to retain the interest of the rapidly departing member base.
I am sorry to say that guys- but there is nothing new to be learnt in here. Oh, perhaps there is one thing that we all understand much better now: WM6 on Axim is illegal.
Off we go to the PDA developers, there is some party going on in there!
Anybody joining in, please leave a note on the wall.
I am sorry to say that guys- but there is nothing new to be learnt in here.
Hmmm, that's kind of funny. I learn something on Aximsite every week if not more often than that. Apparently some people were only here to learn about and hack roms? See ya!
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Oh, perhaps there is one thing that we all understand much better now: WM6 on Axim is illegal.
"WM6 on Axim is illegal" That statement was easy to understand the moment the site Admins put it in black and white- pretty simple really.
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Catdog, I'm not dissagreeing that you are right in many ways about the reason WM6 is lisenced the way it is, but there is one major reason you missed. These people are making this software, not out of hte goodness of their hearts, but because THEY GET PAID TO DO IT! and if nobody funds it, they dont get paid and dont make hte software. Do you go to work every day for the fun of it? if tehy told you "Well you can keep your job, but we're not going to pay you anymore" would you still work there?
I do asgree with your points, I dont see why MS cant release the "WM6 upgrade edition" on a CD/DVD and let you just choose the processor/ram/whatever of your device and let it upgrade (this is what's been done with most OSes, but yes, back in the old days a computer ran 1 OS and you could not change it, at most you coudl upgrade it a *little*. The reason PDAs arent in the category with desktop upgrades, as stated in the past, is that there isn't enough space on the PDA's RAMdisk to hold a 2gb+ install. In the future, when PDA rom is pennies per MB or less, like on a desktop, then this will become possible, however right now it's a physical limitation (though as stated I dont see why you cant install the "WM6 upgrade edition" on your desktop and let it build you a rom from your PDA's specs and install it over AS.)
A lot of it is politics and companies jsut not caring, otherwise Dell would be releasing the WM6 rom for the axim because it's still being supported (ironically M$ is doing better, they stopped selling W98 and supported it with updates for something like 5 years later, dell isn't suporting updates for the Axim <1year later!)
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If they (DELL etc) don´t launch a WM6 to my Axim 50v, I´m supposed to throw it away and buy another gadget ?
No way ! If there´s a alternative I have the right to use it !
So, one more time, goodbye Aximsite, this time forever !
Sniff... But you just got here....:waaa::waaa:
Ummm... It was working yesterday without WM6.. but now it doesn't? If you decide to 'throw it away, I can find a nice home for it. And it will probably run 2003
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The problem with licensing WM6 for a device to end users, and not through the HW manufacturers, is that it needs to be customized to work. Partially to be efficient for the particular device (like how WinXP would have to be if we had 100MB hard drives - it would HAVE to be small). So you couldn't put in drivers for everything, only what you needed.
So, to get WM6 to work on your specific handheld, it needs to be tweaked, which is no trivial thing, and I am sure MS doesn't want your general user destroying their handheld and then suing them, because it takes someone with super powers* to do this tweaking.
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I learn something on Aximsite every week if not more often than that. Apparently some people were only here to learn about and hack roms? See ya! 
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