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Old 09-29-07, 10:17 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Disappointed? I would be too if I bought an iPhone!

You have all heard it, the newly released firmware 1.1.1 for the iPhone is out and gives you a cool wireless iTunes store but it also has locked down the ability to use third party applications after the iPhone update.  It's sad, very sad that Apple, in their infinite knowledge of knowing what is best for the consumer, would take away that one aspect that could propel this device into greatness.

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Coders from all over the world have developed applications that have made the iPhone the device of choice for many but now it is becoming the device to "put in the drawer".  Of all the articles that I have read over the past two days, Brian Lam's article "iPhone Revisited (Verdict: Don't Buy)" sums it all up the best.  Take the time to read this piece ... it is well worth it.

video You also might want to catch this video of a poor guy who found out that since he applied a 3rd party application, he is SOL!  That's right, "Once you put 3rd party applications on, it's no longer supported by Apple".  The look on his face when he realized that he made a very expensive mistake makes you feel for him.

One can only hope that the world of hackers are smarter than Apples's coders and will help Jean(and others) bring his  device back to life....

Well, while you are reading Brian's article and watching the video, I'm going to install a new 3rd party application on my Palm 750 ... Microsoft just does it better!

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Old 09-29-07, 07:03 PM   #2 (permalink)
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This will lead to the downfall of the device from being talked about everwhere.

I mean why not get a windows mobile powered phone. It can play youtube with the tcpmp plugin, browse the net with netfront, do maps, gps, anything the iphone can do standard.

And it has another ability, 3rd party software. And microsoft wont shun you, (as much as they would like to, LOL!) if u use any 3rd party apps. And since the platform has been around for years, software is everywhere.

Instead of wasting money on a iphone, get one of those new hp ppcs with wm6 that are coming out soon. They look better, and it will be a wiser buy.
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Ouch. While I agree that Apple has the right to prevent hacking the basic functionality of the device (which network it uses) killing 3rd-party app support is suicide.

It's that "closed architecture" that kept Apple from being #1 in the PC Market. Looks like they're going to hand the market to Windows Mobile.

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Aw crud. I bet they're going to lockout/have locked out the Touch, as well. They foisted 1.1.1 on us a couple of days ago. This does not seem to make sense. The device will be much more attractive if open to homebrew and 3rd party apps. And what will I report on if there are no really good apps/hacks? It is a good device, but still right on the edge of being truly great unless we can expand its capabilities. People will buy it for its potential only for so long. After that, it needs to perform.


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Hi,

Been hearing a lot of complaining about this from gadget hounds but most people who bought this probably had no interest in third party apps or the unlock program.

So I would say this looks to be an issue for perhaps a small portion of the market.
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Originally Posted by harpgliss View Post
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Been hearing a lot of complaining about this from gadget hounds but most people who bought this probably had no interest in third party apps or the unlock program.

So I would say this looks to be an issue for perhaps a small portion of the market.
Small being insignificant. So why go thru the trouble to castrate the device for such a minority?


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Hi,

Has Apple not always been closed to outside apps running on the ipod and such?

People knew what they were buying in hardware and company policies, if you do not like it, do not buy it.

Did not see anyone forced to go stay in line for hours to be the first to buy this.

I guess it it true that there always need to be complaints about something no matter how great people think something is.

Apple did say no to third party apps even before this was released so I really find this somewhat a mute issue.
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I find the funny part to be that 1.1.1 will kill LOCKED devices just as readily as it kills UN-locked ones. So even legitimate, card-carrying Apple iPhone users who never so much as looked at a third-party app can get an iBrick as easily as the people who went out and then switched their iPhone to T-Mobile.

That's one thing that'll never make it to the "I'm a Mac, I'm a PC" commercials - the ability to kill their devices through buggy updates as easily as Microsoft does.
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Originally Posted by harpgliss View Post
Hi,

Has Apple not always been closed to outside apps running on the ipod and such?

People knew what they were buying in hardware and company policies, if you do not like it, do not buy it.

Did not see anyone forced to go stay in line for hours to be the first to buy this.

I guess it it true that there always need to be complaints about something no matter how great people think something is.

Apple did say no to third party apps even before this was released so I really find this somewhat a mute issue.
You may not realize how many iPhones have been sold, and how many people actually have modded theirs. Further, having choices in the marketplace is a good thing. Apple has a potentially great offering but they are shooting themselves in the foot...again. They may have a better OS than Microsoft, but their closed architecture is limiting their sales.
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Hi,

Last I checked they had sold one million, yes I did realize haw many they have sold.

My point is that modding or unlocking was not supported and known long before the Iphone went on sale.

If you did either of these against what was supported, you do not blame the company for something they made known in advance.

Good policy or not, you buy it and then complain about something you knew before you bought it and bought it anyway?

I guess I would blame myself and not Apple.

Apple is not cool about an open system but don't complain about it after you buy something knowing the fact ahead of time.

As for choices in the marketplace, you can buy from Apple or not, again, I saw no one forced to plunk down the old credit card to pay for it.

Do not get me wrong here, I am not a fan of the closed system here but if I knew this and bought any way, I blame myself not Apple.
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Originally Posted by Haesslich View Post
I find the funny part to be that 1.1.1 will kill LOCKED devices just as readily as it kills UN-locked ones. So even legitimate, card-carrying Apple iPhone users who never so much as looked at a third-party app can get an iBrick as easily as the people who went out and then switched their iPhone to T-Mobile.

That's one thing that'll never make it to the "I'm a Mac, I'm a PC" commercials - the ability to kill their devices through buggy updates as easily as Microsoft does.
Im a mac, and im a pc.

Mac: Ouch, the pain, it hurts so bad.
PC: Whats wrong mac? Somebody using IE again?
Mac: Somebodys upgrading my firmware, and its going to KILL me!
Pc: It may seem bad at first, but just one reboot, and youll be all better. (Trust me, im a pc i get unnecessary upgrades from microsoft all the time)
Mac: (upgrade complete)
PC: Mac, u there. Hello?

Both apple and ms think that they own your devices. Its just not right. XP is unsupported unless you get sp2. And this will hurt the iphone.

If you got a car and decided to do some mods to it, would it be right for the manufacturer of that car, to come to your house, and take your keys away, so u can never use it again?

I dont care about some fine print somewhere, is just wrong!
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Ouch! The Pain! Just visit Gizmodo for instructions to unbrick your iphone. Tell 'em who sent ya.




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this is too funny! Everyone Drawing comparisons and such. completely irrelevant!

You Can only go on what apples terms say and they Say don't mod it or its not supported. You purchased it and therefore agreed to that. So if you modded it and it broke tough
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this is too funny! Everyone Drawing comparisons and such. completely irrelevant!

You Can only go on what apples terms say and they Say don't mod it or its not supported. You purchased it and therefore agreed to that. So if you modded it and it broke tough
Well, the point here is that it looks like somebody modded it and then Apple broke it.



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this is too funny! Everyone Drawing comparisons and such. completely irrelevant!

You Can only go on what apples terms say and they Say don't mod it or its not supported. You purchased it and therefore agreed to that. So if you modded it and it broke tough
Uh, people haven't modded theirs and it STILL broke because of 1.1.1 - you'd think they'd have learned from Microsoft regarding the backlashes in the wake of bad patches.
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