blitor

Originally Posted by bigds63

Come on Swim...blitor just hasnt figured out what a Pocket PC can and cannot do just yet so lets give him/her a chance. But like you say..."Listen to us" blitor and you shall learn more than you want to know about Pocket PCs. Give DVD Catalyst a try...It is free for 5 full days so you can do several DVDs in that time and you will see it don't take that long to do this. Click on DVD Catalyst in my Sig. Plus there is a lot of free ways to do this also.

I've played DVD's on an old pentium III 750 laptop with 8MB of Video Memory, now a Dell Axim 50v is comparable with 624 XScale and 16MB Video Ram? Windows Mobile 5.0 and Windows XP are based upon Microsoft technology so I say...I want my DVD. It's all a matter of media choice I suppose...I'm skirting around the issues of legal technicalities as this is a big pot of stew...

DagMiller

Originally Posted by blitor

It took me about 12 hours to do a dvd conversion and that was something without copy protection. Takes like 30 minutes to move a whole Commercial DVD to a 8GB CF but I can't do anything with it though. That's why I'm looking for a DVD Player, I mean how difficult can it be? It's Windows Mobile 5.0 after all

I'm afraid it is not as simple as it could/should be.

1. DVD movies are encrypted.
2. DVD movies use MPEG-2 encoding which is FAT and the screen size is bigger than you need.

The easiest way I've done it is to use the following tools. DVDDecrypter and AutoGK. I can do a 2.5 hour film in under 3 hours. This will also reduce the size of the files from 4GB to 450MB

use the following link

DVD Conversion Tutorial

Nobody is goig to write a DVD player for the Pocket PC as there is no advantage in doing so and no legal way of providing it.

Converting is the ony way and is the best way.:approve:

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OUBeaver

blitor: There is no such player for the Axim. Plan and simple. Also, the hardware between a laptop and a PDA is very very different. You can't even compare them. So, why don't you just suck up your pride, admit you're barking up the wrong tree and what you are asking for cannot be done, and just listen to the veteran pro Axim users on this site. They know what they are talking about. I'll bet a million bucks that this is your first PDA. Take a minute to learn about it before demanding something that is pretty ridiculous.

Also, I have never heard of anyone being able to copy/paste a DVD to their hard drive and play it. I guess maybe some older DVDs might work.

And another thing...now that you've become an Axim owner you'll eventually find out that you will find everything you need on this site. You'll be visiting here every single day and come to realize that the veterans on here really know pretty much everything. What I'm trying to get at is your kinda starting off on the wrong foot with everyone here. We're all like a big family.

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picopir8

Originally Posted by blitor

I'm skirting around the issues of legal technicalities as this is a big pot of stew...

Not sure what this means. If you think that simply copying the files over to a PDA makes it legal and re-encoding is illegal then you are wrong.

Yes the DMCA prohibits the removal/bypass of copy protections, but I have two things to say about that.

1) The concept of fair use supercedes the DMCA. This has been determined in several court cases since the DMCA came out. Consequently nobody is going to prosecute you for removing/bypassing the copy protection or re-encoding the contents of an item as long as you have the legal right to access the contents of the file(s) and you make such edits for personal or educational purposes only.

2) Even if you copy the files over, to a memory card. You would still need to bypass the copy protection in order to play them.


Given the fact that you could have about 16x as many movies on your memory card if you just re-encode, I see no reason not to encode. Sure it takes about 3hrs to re-encode a movie, but it also takes a heck of a lot of time to copy 8GB of files to your memory card (probably about 1.5-2 hrs). 99.9% of people would rather rather spend a little more time to encode and have the extra space available.

If you absolutely must have a DVD player for the PPC, then I recommend you look here:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/073...lance&n=283155

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If you absolutely must have a DVD player for the PPC, then I recommend you look here: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/073...lance&n=283155

LOL!

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professor-axim

Originally Posted by picopir8

1) The concept of fair use supercedes the DMCA. This has been determined in several court cases since the DMCA came out.

Just wondering - do you have further information about these cases? I am extremely interested in reading those briefs.

TIA

Prof-ax

picopir8

No, I dont keep track of those but I can quote lines of the DMCA.

http://www.copyright.gov/legislation/dmca.pdf

Page 4, paragraph 2.

Quote:

This distinction was employed to assure that the public will have the continued ability to make fair use of copyrighted works. Since copying of a work may be a fair use under appropriate circumstances, section 1201 does not prohibit the act of circumventing a technological measure that prevents copying. By contrast, since the fair use doctrine is not a defense to the act of gaining unauthorized access to a work, the act of circumventing a technological measure in order to gain access is prohibited.

Page 5, paragraph 1

Quote:

Section 1201 contains two general savings clauses. First, section 1201(c)(1) states that nothing in section 1201 affects rights, remedies, limitations or defenses to copyright infringement, including fair use. Second, section 1201(c)(2) states that nothing in section 1201 enlarges or diminishes vicarious or contributory copyright infringement.

In court cases where the defendant was able to prove fair use, then the DMCA could not be applied. If you somehow got charged with having decrypted and copying a DVD that you legally own, all you need to do is present the DVD or a sales receipt from the DVD and you have proved fair use. Just make sure the DVD was pressed or the receipt was dated before the date of the ripped files. :)

DVD decryption software is legal to have if you use it for fair use purposes, however it is generally illegal to distribute because the distributors/authors generally can not prove the the primary purpose for the software is for fair use.

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professor-axim

picopir8, I thank you much. I have read the DMCA many times, but never read the copyright office summary. The summary really explains the intent of the law. All I need now is to find the case law that supports it (I am not a lawyer, but I do like reading case law as pertaining to technology).

Thanks again!

prof-ax

mkj1701

The software I use is not free, but does the job a lot faster IMHO. A combination of CloneDVD, AnyDVD and CloneDVDMobile will, on my PC, convert a DVD to the HD and encode it for my Ax in less than an hour. All I do then is copy to CF card and away I go. I have tried several other methods but this works the best/fastest for me. Other methods take about the same time for me as others have stated, so I don't think my PC is any faster. Just my 2 cents worth.

Pocketbrain

Originally Posted by OUBeaver

blitor: There is no such player for the Axim. Plan and simple. Also, the hardware between a laptop and a PDA is very very different. You can't even compare them. So, why don't you just suck up your pride, admit you're barking up the wrong tree and what you are asking for cannot be done, ....... What I'm trying to get at is your kinda starting off on the wrong foot with everyone here. We're all like a big family. -Beav

Dang, Beav, take a deep breath, think happy thoughts. Blitor is just exploring his options, he's not criticizing us.
Blitor, as far as we know, nobody makes a DVD decryptor that runs natively on the PocketPC platform. Feel free to web-search for DeCSS and find us one or code it. My impression is that the Axim hardware would have a tough time with it, and there are methods and software available that make DVD ripping/encoding easy, and the file sizes more manageable.
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uzziah0

The other thing is you were playing the DVD in a DVD player on the PC. I believe it reads the DVD format files, and what it sends to you PC is not the same as what you would get if you copied the files and tried tp play them from your pc.
Where you actually copying the DVD files to the pc to watch, or were you playing the DVD in a DVD player in the PC and watching that?

bormlissa

Hey guys/girls just my 2 cents. I thought I had tried them all, but haven't tried DVD Catalyst. I also encode using CloneDVD mobile and choose the PSP encoding to 475mb. There is an MP4 plugin for TCPMP. Amazing quality. And yes blitor is stubborn. There is not a ppc dvd player that will read vob or ifo files that I know of. They need to be converted to divx, mp4 etc...
I thought full DVD's were around 4gig or so. If they are dual layer, then they are 7gig. That means, to just move files, only 2 full DVD's would fit on 8gig card. What a waste, when you can convert and have 16 full DVD movies. Blitor you want help, then listen to the posters. We've been thru it and tested, tested, and tested.

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bigbucz

Originally Posted by mcknzy

Compression(nice word huh)most people try to squeeze as much as they can on a memory card so converting is a logical choice. To write a dvd player program would probably take half your memory or more to run.I have an 8gig hitachi drive and using DVD Catalyst,I can put 22 one hour episodes in 1.2gig of space at 640x480 and play back with tcpmp is fantastic quality.My x51v Has replaced my laptop on the road.If you want to stream it via wifi then use orb.it will stream all your movies and shows to your axim and its free. I convert one hour of video to dvix or wmv in 32 minutes

hey mcknzy have you heard anything about DVD Wizard on the PC. i hear it does the same thing but less time. also were to you download ur dvd player?

"officer i know what this looks like ! and I sware i've never seen this rooster before in my life"

bigbucz

Originally Posted by bigbucz

hey mcknzy have you heard anything about DVD Wizard on the PC. i hear it does the same thing but less time. also were to you download ur dvd player? "officer i know what this looks like ! and I sware i've never seen this rooster before in my life"

correction: were did you download ur tcpmp software

bigds63

Originally Posted by bigbucz

correction: were did you download ur tcpmp software

http://tcpmp.corecodec.org/download You want the Windows Mobile version 0.71

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