So far I love the new coreplayer. I was unable to play a certain video file properly that I downloaded for Google Videos with TCPMP (and the necessary codecs) but now with the new CorePlayer, it played perfectly!
All the upcomming add ons and improvements will just be the icing on the cake!:approve:
I'm waiting for the updates before ruling on this, but it's DEFINITELY better than TCPMP is with h.264 files, which means I can encode video files which look WAY better (aka: higher quality) for about the same file size. I'm hoping that the next release improves CoreAVC performance however - it's not as smooth as XviD is, but it's better than the FFMPEG plugin with TCPMP with the exact same files.
I now succeded in getting the setup you are referring to.
Can you confirm AVRCP to be working in the released version 1.0?
I got the same hardware and software and no remote control from the Motorola 820 headphones - no matter how hard I push :)
Regards
Michael Williams
MIchael Williams,
I am sorry, but I cannot confirm that AVRCP works with the released version. It worked fine with TCPMP, and it also worked fine with the Technology Preview, however, I have not had a chance to load and test the release version at this time.
Do you have the HP high quality audio BT driver installed?? If not, you will need to get it. The BT driver that comes with WM 2003SE does not include this (note that this is a problem with the BT stack itself, not CorePlayer). Once you download that driver, you should be able to have full A2DP and AVRCP functionality.
Doug
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I can say in one area it is at least better than TCPMP -- it has smoother playback of H.264/AAC content. I wasn't able to play the 720x480 version of the 300 trailer in TCPMP (it lagged terrible and i got roughly one frame per five seconds). Smooth as butter in CorePlayer! Using an Axim X51v w/ A12 in main memory.
I for one am sorely disappointed. It's a major step DOWN for me in terms of functionality.
Downloaded the trial and goodness I can't seem to find the options page so I blank the screen. Oh wait, there isn't one. Oh yeah I just copied over my copy of the Bruch violin concerto. Wait there isn't a playlist editor. I think what finally did me in was the lack of support for my wireless headphones.
For all of the hype, waiting, breathe holding, etc I feel this was a poorly released application. The constant "It's taking so long because we are improving it"speech really sunk in. In my honest opinion Coreplayer 1.0 is worse then TCPMP .72.
Time to roll- back :)
EDIT: AVRCP does NOT work with this release. I say roll back to TCPMP until they update it, or spend 20$ and hope they update it soon. I've had it with the "Improvement. That's why it is taking forever" speeches.
Michael Williams,
I am sorry, but I cannot confirm that AVRCP works with the released version. It worked fine with TCPMP, and it also worked fine with the Technology Preview, however, I have not had a chance to load and test the release version at this time.
In that case I would like to test the Technology Preview
Originally Posted by dgoldring
Do you have the HP high quality audio BT driver installed?? If not, you will need to get it. The BT driver that comes with WM 2003SE does not include this (note that this is a problem with the BT stack itself, not CorePlayer). Once you download that driver, you should be able to have full A2DP and AVRCP functionality.
Doug
I've been working with bluetooth profiles and different vendor stacks for the last 6 years so - I know
coreplayer 1.0 sucks for the reasons:
- no plugin support. The program folder contains two files. the application and some other file. copying tcpmp plugins to coreplayer will not work.
- doesn't support AC3. My southpark episodes uses divx with ac3. No sound.
- no option screen. TCPMP had tons more options.
- skin is blurry and not as sharp as other programs.
- cost 25 bucks, tcpmp is free and can play more media.
- takes longer to open, about a few seconds longer than tcpmp.
i am sticking with tcpmp. coreplayer is a step down from tcpmp compared to flexibility. the cost makes the step down into a fall.
coreplayer 1.0 sucks for the reasons:
- no plugin support. The program folder contains two files. the application and some other file. copying tcpmp plugins to coreplayer will not work.
- doesn't support AC3. My southpark episodes uses divx with ac3. No sound.
- no option screen. TCPMP had tons more options.
- skin is blurry and not as sharp as other programs.
- cost 25 bucks, tcpmp is free and can play more media.
- takes longer to open, about a few seconds longer than tcpmp.
i am sticking with tcpmp. coreplayer is a step down from tcpmp compared to flexibility. the cost makes the step down into a fall.
To address that:
- they are adding more codecs shortly, and later versions will let you customize the player to suit your needs, which means you get a build which does what you need it to do... but this has yet to be implemented, unfortunately.
- AC3 support: adding more codecs shortly, should be in the next few weeks. I'd personally send an email or post a complaint about it on the CoreCodec forums. Personally, I never saw the point of AC3 for PocketPCs, given the hardware available.
- Options screen being implemented in the bugfix release, which is currently set for 10/24. God, but I miss the options screen ATM.
- Personally, I don't give a damn about skins, although I don't doubt some helpful (or obsessed) soul will have a new Universal Skin up shortly, given that they're posting the specs for them, along with a template to design one. TCPMP wasn't exactly a skinnable application anyways.
- Cost is down to $19.99 with coupon, and TCPMP doesn't have a good AVC (h.264) or AAC decoder, only pirated versions of CoreAVC which aren't as advanced as the ones included with CorePlayer. Other codecs are licensed from their owners, which explains the charge. You could always toss a few dollars as a donation to the team to thank them for their time with TCPMP, of course, or wait for the free BetaPlayer which will be out in some weeks. Basically, it'll be TCPMP with enhancements.
- TCPMP takes 3 seconds for me to open up. CorePlayer takes 3.5 for me on a 624MHz machine even with skinning. I didn't know opening media files was something that required response times that measured in hundredths of a second.
In the end, what flexibility did TCPMP really have? Yes, it had plugins... but nobody ever really took advantage of the plugin support anyways, and now the plugins are built into the program with the promise of more codecs to come, along with the ability to customize your player's capabilities. Besides, they're releasing a free version in a few weeks anyways - wait for that one.
And before you ask, I -am- running both on the same device and can compare them directly. With h.264 support in CorePlayer, I find it's a lot better than what I got with TCPMP, and that's what I use it for. Still, there's a free version (BetaPlayer) coming out in a bit, which is probably more your speed.
going from tcpmp (free) to coreplayer (costs) should be based on tcpmp + better, not worse. plugin support SHOULD be implemented for 1.0 release.
AC3 is important because many movies are encoded with AC3 audio. Since AC3 was supported in the free version, it is expected to be supported in the new version. for example, would winamp release a newer version that doesn't support ogg format when the older version could already play ogg? would you buy a new model lexus that didn't have power windows but instead had no windows? sure we didn't need AC3, just like we dont need power windows, or windows at all... would you buy a new computer that lacks usb ports? sure usb isn't needed to run the computer, but its nice to have, just like AC3. i dont know...
The skin isn't important, but sharpness would be nice. Even free gsplayer had skin options... and many other players out there got skin options.
Too bad we have to carry two versions of players to play media. I was hoping core player would replace tcpmp with enhancements. Can you imagine microsoft releasing windows vista that has aero and lacks functions like networking and so you have to dual boot windows xp and vista to play with both functions?
going from tcpmp (free) to coreplayer (costs) should be based on tcpmp + better, not worse. plugin support SHOULD be implemented for 1.0 release.
AC3 is important because many movies are encoded with AC3 audio. Since AC3 was supported in the free version, it is expected to be supported in the new version. for example, would winamp release a newer version that doesn't support ogg format when the older version could already play ogg? would you buy a new model lexus that didn't have power windows but instead had no windows? sure we didn't need AC3, just like we dont need power windows, or windows at all... would you buy a new computer that lacks usb ports? sure usb isn't needed to run the computer, but its nice to have, just like AC3. i dont know...
The skin isn't important, but sharpness would be nice. Even free gsplayer had skin options... and many other players out there got skin options.
Too bad we have to carry two versions of players to play media. I was hoping core player would replace tcpmp with enhancements. Can you imagine microsoft releasing windows vista that has aero and lacks functions like networking and so you have to dual boot windows xp and vista to play with both functions?
looking forward to the new coreplayer.
- They're putting the functionality that the plugins offered into the main program itself. TCPMP had plugins, but nobody else made plugins for the program except the TCPMP coders themselves... which meant it could take plugins from third parties, but nobody else was coding them. End result - no plugin support for CorePlayer as they're putting that codec support into the program itself. Also, they're setting things up so, at least with the paid version, you get to pick and choose what codecs you want installed (if I'm reading the notes regarding the customized builds correctly) in the player as well.
- AC3 is what movies use... but that's with the appropriate hardware, and most PocketPCs don't have good enough sound equipment or fine enough headphone jacks to take advantage of AC3, plus the CPU usage is a pain to deal with. That may be something you can toss in as a feature request to the CoreCodec people, but I found AC3 to be overkill for portable use, especially as it's not a very tightly-compressed audio format, which means that filesize is probably larger than it needs to be, especially as the audio hardware on the PDA is crap compared to that on larger devices. It's like complaining that your Lexus doesn't have a rocket-boost for the times when you need to go 500MPH; if you want to go 500MPH, you take a plane, not use the car which can't really handle that speed anyways and isn't designed to work well at that level... nor can it easily survive it, for that matter, especially since it'll only go that speed as long as the fuel lasts in your JATO bottle or whatever you're using.
- BetaPlayer's basically CorePlayer, but without the paid codecs which are more efficient at handling things like h.264 and AAC due to licensing requirements. And Microsoft IS effectively doing what you're talking about there - look at some of the changes in Vista Ultimate versus Basic. You're comparing apples and oranges again, in an effort to get something to complain about - they're putting a bunch of that stuff back in anyways. Wait a few weeks, and you'll get what you're looking for.
- Skins are coming. As noted, they've already posted the specifications and format for Universal Skinning, which means that the skinners will get to do their own sharper skins.
- They're putting the functionality that the plugins offered into the main program itself. TCPMP had plugins, but nobody else made plugins for the program except the TCPMP coders themselves
Hi,
And Mabin's plugin for subtitles does not count here? or?
It's a plugin I use almost every day - it might be that "Night Knight" or "Dr Mabin" have been members of the development team - but it does not look like it any more.
And Mabin's plugin for subtitles does not count here? or?
It's a plugin I use almost every day - it might be that "Night Knight" or "Dr Mabin" have been members of the development team - but it does not look like it any more.
Will
From what I recall, TCPMP 0.72rc1 and older versions already supported SRT files. Although I'd probably suggest posting the request for a plugin like this, or for 'third-party plugin support' on the forums or emailing CoreCodec about it.
I gave a donation of $20 to corecodec sometime ago because I thought that BetaPlayer and TCPMP werer the best free software available and they needed help to develop it further.
But I will not buy CorePlayer until it does everything that TCPMP does (preferably without plug ins) and then some. The options are essential to alter the brightnes, contrast and color balance and to set the graphic equaliser whcih should work with all audio playback not just with mp3s.
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