mingkee

http://hp.vector.co.jp/authors/VA032810/
the most recent version: 2.21, finally fixed .ogg track display problem
simply the best!
I wish I can un-install wmp10, it's useless, and I'd use wmp9

imported_papa smurf

I've downloaded it and extracted all of the files, but when I open setup.exe and then choose to open the programme nothing happens, what am I doing wrong?

imported_papa smurf

Working now, just had to re-install activsync. What do you use to convert your music?

imported_papa smurf

Was previously just using windows media player on my ppc and using media encoder was converting my songs to a size of around 2mb, but GSPlayer doesn't support these files. So I'm using dBPowerAmp to convert my wma files to ogg vorbis, but the same songs that were converting to around 2mb as wma are now converting to around 4mb in ogg vorbis. Is this normal? Always thought ogg vorbis files were the smallest.

imported_papa smurf

Sorry, keep answering my own questions here, it was because I was using a higher kbps with the OV. Even when using the same kbps (64) the files are still of near identical size, so what's the advantage of using ogg vorbis over wma using media player?

mingkee

I can listen the files right from network hd, wmp can't
ogg vorbis is patent-free and high fidelity (it's hard to tell the difference between CD and 160k ogg)

whypick1

To expand upon what ming said...

For all lossy codecs (that'd be basically everything you run across outside of FLAC, APE, or anything with "Lossless" in the title), provided each is set at the same bitrate, then they will produce identical file sizes. After all, you're telling each encoder to use approximately xx kilobits for every second of audio. Assuming the files are CBR, then the variations can be accounted for in codec overhead and any other extra info. If they're VBR, then the further deviation can be explained by how each codec decides between what passages deserve what bitrate.

Referring to OGG specifically, many people claim that it is one of the best lossy codecs out there, especially at lower bitrates. One great example of this would be in Doom 3. The song played during the menus is noteworthy on two levels: 1. Tool did it, 2. It's a 64kbps Mono OGG file. I couldn't really believe it myself, since it sounds like it should sound a lot crappier than that. It definitely sounds compressed, some of the instruments don't quite the "oomph" that they could, but it still sounds pretty damn good, and the file is only 682 KB. Not having the original WAV file to use, I can only speculate that an MP3 under similar circumstances would sound a lot worse.

In case you're wondering, yes, I do happen to use OGG for my audio files. I tested OGG, WMA and MP3 at 192kbps VBR, and OGG sounded the most like the CD. For my iPAQ, I take those files through dbPowerAmp Converter and make them 96kbps OGGs to dump on my 512mb SD card. Although I cut the bitrate in half, the audio quality is still decent enough. While I could have gone for a higher bitrate, there'd be diminishing returns in that the audio signal still has to go through the iPAQs audio processing hardware, and my guess is that HP didn't spend a whole lot of time doing things like proper PCB layout and using pure-grade copper tracks for the best audio fidelity possible.

Anyway, one thing I should mention is that you can be told what is technically the best, but the truth of the matter is that you're the one who is going to be listening to it, so it should please your ears.

imported_papa smurf

Wow thanks for such a extensive reply! Thats really helped and I will certainly consider using ogg from now on!

imported_longun

Nice peice of software. I wish someone would make a mix between an app that works and media player because despite all of mp flaws it has some good features. The way it can organise files and automatically create playlists as I'm lazy and have way too much music on my PDA to create a playlist for every album on there which you have to do with both GS player and Beta Player (unless I'm stupid and missing something)
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linguistdude

Does anyone know of a flac player? Or a flac plugin for any players for pocketpc? I tried ordering the player from this site: http://iplay.40th.com/ but I never got the e-mail I was supposed to, and my e-mails were never answered.

navman

next question...keep in mind I'm very simple (minded), what is the easiest tool on the market to cinvert WMA files to OGG format?

rob1303

Originally Posted by navman

next question...keep in mind I'm very simple (minded), what is the easiest tool on the market to cinvert WMA files to OGG format?

You are better off converting files from the original source than between codecs (thinks of the example of photocopies of photocopies as an example).

In saying that I use dbPoweramp and its codecs for all my converting needs (it will also convert between wma and ogg).

BTW - it's free

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schriss

Is really GS Player the best? What about:
Pocket Music http://www.pocketmind.com/
iMusic (WithMP3) http://imusic.citsoft.net/eng/function.asp
Just taken a look at GS Player and maybe it's the best in case of features and performance, but doesn't look as good as the two above

rob1303

Originally Posted by schriss

Is really GS Player the best? What about:

The 'best' is always subjective however GSPlayer's price is definitely better than those two

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rEVOLVE

allofmp3.com = great alternative to itunes that lets you encode on their side and download in a variety of formats (flac, ogg, mp3, etc). Also a LOT cheaper since they charge by bandwidth and not by track, I download whole albums @ 160k MP3 for about $1-$1.50

MediaMonkey = great free software that I use to convert/rip music to OGG - also does track& library management.

Mortplayer = Freeware, skinnable MP3/Ogg player for PPC. I'm pretty lazy in making playlists as well, so I like the way I can put all my songs in subdirectories and it has a changer mode that automatically makes playlists out of whatever is in the directories. (like making each subdirectory a virtual "cd" in a "changer".