Arqentus

Originally Posted by emulamer

Overheard in the PocketTV underground lair... .....

rofl ... so true ... :)

tadw

I posted my personal feelings about the whole situation at Mobileread. Feel free to comment.

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Arqentus

Originally Posted by tadw

I posted my personal feelings about the whole situation at Mobileread. Feel free to comment.

Jesus ...

http://www.msmobiles.com/news.php/3373.html

Quote:

msmobiles.com: so you are saying that the best media player for Windows Mobile - the free BetaPlayer - is an illegal hack? Pocket TV: yes, i think Betaplayer is an illegal hack because for different reasons.

Well, we did see that one comming ( the hostic act's in this forum from the PocketTV Team on several moment's was a clear indication they where out to discredit BetaPlayer )...

Btw: isent the article grounds for sueing PocketTv team. It looks like slander to me. It looks like they are taking the SCO way of doing bussiness.

tadw

Exactly... I had to spill out what I think about this after reading that interview ;(

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obvious

I think PocketTV / MpegTV LLC just stabbed themselves in the back quite efficiently. They've lost any last vestige of dignity IMO and I'll be more than happy to point that out wherever I go. :D

allklrnoflr

Originally Posted by obvious

I think PocketTV / MpegTV LLC just stabbed themselves in the back quite efficiently. They've lost any last vestige of dignity IMO and I'll be more than happy to point that out wherever I go. :D

I'm with you all the way on the that! That keep sinking lower and lower.

msu2k

Originally Posted by Arqentus

Jesus ... http://www.msmobiles.com/news.php/3373.html Well, we did see that one comming ( the hostic act's in this forum from the PocketTV Team on several moment's was a clear indication they where out to discredit BetaPlayer )... Btw: isent the article grounds for sueing PocketTv team. It looks like slander to me. It looks like they are taking the SCO way of doing bussiness.

DAAAAAaaaaammmnnn!!! Oh it's SOOOO on now.....

(grabs another handful of popcorn)

emulamer

I have my suspicions about some of the people claiming that betaplayer caused burned out pixels too... if that's the case, they've tried "OMG betaplayer ruined my screen!" and now they're trying "OMG you can get arrested for using betaplayer!", neither of which is true.

What it comes down to is that pockettv's motivation is making money, and they are doing everything in their power to slander and scare anyone they can away from using the free (and better) competiton.

Picard on the other hand has not only made an exceptional player and made it free and open source, but instead of running around message boards looking for ways to slander the competition, he goes around and does stuff like rewriting GAPI drivers.

I think that there's very little question of who is more important to the PPC community and as long as there are places like Aximsite turning up among the first results at Google I don't think that many people will be fooled by these sleazy tactics.

Pared

Originally Posted by Arqentus

Jesus ... http://www.msmobiles.com/news.php/3373.html Well, we did see that one comming ( the hostic act's in this forum from the PocketTV Team on several moment's was a clear indication they where out to discredit BetaPlayer )... Btw: isent the article grounds for sueing PocketTv team. It looks like slander to me. It looks like they are taking the SCO way of doing bussiness.

This sort of attitude was always apparent from whomever ran Pocket TV. I've never, EVER bought their product and NEVER WILL. This just puts the nail in that coffin. (Hopefully, in more ways than one)

Bye bye PTV. You will not be missed.

tadw

I am glad I am not the only one with strong feelings about this ;)

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Ranma13

That IS pretty harsh of Pocket TV. Regardless of if they're telling the truth or not, it's the same thing as pointing a finger and tattle-telling because someone's work is better than yours.

emulamer

Originally Posted by Ranma13

That IS pretty harsh of Pocket TV. Regardless of if they're telling the truth or not, it's the same thing as pointing a finger and tattle-telling because someone's work is better than yours.

Wishing them dead is a little harsh, but this is alot more than tattle-telling. Say, for instance, you're a chef at a local restaurant that has great food. Another chef from a competing restaurant comes over to your restaurant and tells all of your customers (repeatedly) that you're horribly unsanitary in the kitchen and the kitchen is out of code, you don't wash the silverware, etc.

Same deal here.

cell_neuron

I used pocket tv one or two times before, then uninstall it instantly. I am sure I won't install it any more, never.

pgh1969pa

Whether true or not, Pocket TV has demostrated poor taste in their disclosure. Since, any legal issues with Betaplayer are the domain of Betaplayer, they should mind their own business and stop being consumed by what someone else is doing. No one likes a tattle-tale. It appears that instead of focusing on providing a superior product, they feel they should undermine someone else. This is really classy. Way to go Pocket TV.

I don't use either Betaplayer or Pocket TV but I feel that Pocket TV has done more damage to their own reputation that Betaplayer's. I hope they enjoy their 15 minutes.

picard_beta

Originally Posted by Pared

Does the newest unstable beta have .aac support? I thought it said so in the update info, but alas, I can not find where....

Only AC3 at the moment, but I'am working on .aac and .mp4 right now.

picard_beta

I don't really want to spend too much time on the mentioned interview. If someone contacts me about concrete copyright problems I will do my best to solve them.

obvious

Originally Posted by picard_beta

I don't really want to spend too much time on the mentioned interview. If someone contacts me about concrete copyright problems I will do my best to solve them.

Fair enough. I dont think I could take it on the chin (or in the back!) like that though without fighting back. Mud does stick unfortunately so even though you've succesfully refuted much of what's been claimed in the past, not everyone will have visited AximSite to see it.

If the BetaPlayer development fund turns into a legal fund then I'd stick my hand in my pocket again.

rudolph

Haha... PocketTV thought that they would make bad press for BetaPlayer and it backfired on them.

I've just un-installed PocketTV from my PocketPC. I never really used it anyway.

This message is addressed to PocketTV.

If you guys want to get rid of BetaPlayer you'll have to find another way. You are trying to take down BetaPlayer which works very well on many people's PocketPCs and more people use it because it the plays popular formats (divx/xvid, and mpeg all-in-one). You are trying so hard to find faults with BetaPlayer and rid it of your competition. In the process, you are also angering the many people that use the player and the only thing you can be sure of is that these people will never endorse or use PocketTV again. PocketTV is acting like the RIAA, trying to take away something that is much better and more convenient (digital audio files -- in this case BetaPlayer) than their product (CDs -- in this case your PocketTV player). If you keep this up, you'll be hated as much as they are too.

The only way to get rid of BetaPlayer is to make your product better. Why not support other formats? You could at least attempt to add mpeg2 support to the enterprise version. The $50 you charge could cover the licensing fees, or you could just increase the price to $54 (although even if you did have mpeg2 support, I would not pay $50 for a video player). There are many other things you could to to make your product more competitive. Why not add skins or other video playing features.

If you do find some licensing problem, why not email Picard directly with the specific issue, instead of telling the world that you heard from someone, who talked to another guy, who overheard a guy saying that he spoke to a talking donkey with a Pocket PC that said BetaPlayer has copyright issues.

PocketTV Team

See our answer on this thread: http://www.msmobiles.com/f/viewtopic.php?t=8388

And see Picard's acknowledgment of some copywrite issues there: http://corecodec.com/modules.php?op=...ewtopic&t=1075

Yes, it is much easier to add support for many formats in an open source GPL project like Betaplayer, because you can instantly include (and modify) many other GPL code already developed, without having to worry about any licensing issues. Betaplayer takes full advantage of this by being GPL.

If you have already developed commercial software products, you certainely know that this is not possible in commercial or closed source free applications like PocketTV. All the code we used must be written from scratch, or licensed from other companies. On the other hand, it is much easier for us to license our code to manufacturers or other companies, or include it in other commercial products, something that is almost impossible with GPL code.

Since the P in GPL stands for "public", we think it's ok to discuss the issues in some GPL packages publicly. It's often the best way to get them fixed. We think Betaplayer should give proper credit to all the copyrights owner of the code merged and modified by Picard. It is a matter of honnesty and respect for other developers.

Again, as we said in the msmobiles article:

Betaplayer works very well, and it is a remarkable piece of work.

So please, let's be respectful from each other and from the rest of the community. If there are issues, they can be discussed with civility and corrected. And people ultimately decide what free applications they like to use. It's a free world, and having choices and competition (even among free software) is good.

DanielTS

Originally Posted by PocketTV Team

So please, let's be respectful from each other and from the rest of the community. If there are issues, they can be discussed with civility and corrected. And people ultimately decide what free applications they like to use. It's a free world, and having choices and competition (even among free software) is good.

If you are a respectful or civilized person and "if you do find some licensing problem, why not email Picard directly with the specific issue, instead of telling the world that you heard from someone, who talked to another guy, who overheard a guy saying that he spoke to a talking donkey with a Pocket PC that said BetaPlayer has copyright issues."

PocketTV Team

In that case apparently it was Picard who was not respectful of other developers work copyrights, as he acknowledged. I don't think exposing existing issues publicly, especially in open source projects, means being disrespectful.

PocketTV Team

Originally Posted by emulamer

Another chef from a competing restaurant comes over to your restaurant and tells all of your customers (repeatedly) that you're horribly unsanitary in the kitchen and the kitchen is out of code, you don't wash the silverware, etc.

And as a customer, if those allegation were true, wouldn't you like to know about that before ordering diner ?

:)

DanielTS

Originally Posted by PocketTV Team

In that case apparently it was Picard who was not respectful of other developers work copyrights, as he acknowledged. I don't think exposing existing issues publicly, especially in open source projects, means being disrespectful.

He said he didn’t mind about copyright notices including his own copyrights. He is correcting it.
But, how about your conscience, could you correct it ?

picard_beta

There are some missing copyright notices. I did confuse GPL notice and copyright notice. Still the previous conversation in this topic about mpeg1 video decoding speed is valid.

emulamer

Originally Posted by PocketTV Team

And as a customer, if those allegation were true, wouldn't you like to know about that before ordering diner ? :)

If they were true, I would expect something other than "excuse me, everyone, listen up, I'm the owner of the restaurant accross the street and I just wanted to let you all know...", perhaps contacting the chef in private? I would definitly expect some hard evidence before anything at all was done, other than maybe asking him about it in a much less public way.

Regardless of how you're trying to pass it off, I think we both know exactly what you're trying to accomplish.