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Ok, that's enough. I think we should put this to rest. PocketTV Team, you should realize that this "fact" you are pointing out really has no purpose in being re-enforced here. It is ok that you pointed it out, but why not leave it at that lest your true intention become revealed through your follow up replies.

I long for the day when my X50v will be able to handle MPEG-2 video files at suitible bitrates, so if you can accomplish this first then my hat's off to you and you will have much groveling from me. However, I think it's time to realize that Picard is fast, VERY FAST at what he does and you should not choose the way you are in which to compete with him.

Picard, thanks again for sharing your great work with the community and I can't wait to see what's next! :approve:

Just one question, however, all of my Futurama videos have something called "GMC" implementation. I am not aware of what this is, but BetaPlayer realizes that it doesn't have "GMC support" through an error message and continues to play the video, but with a lot of garbage(?). So I was wondering if "GMC" support is of high priority or not. Thanks in advance. :)

Wayne Mahon

HOLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I finally installed this and cannot believe the difference! ;)

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Spiral

Originally Posted by cmitc01

Pocket TV is an inferior product. Sounds like they are having trouble how with to deal with that issue.

That's absurd, Pocket TV Team and Picard have helped each other out various times with code and exchanged techniques in the past. Pocket TV was simply bringing up an issue Picard will have to address.

Btw, you said Pocket TV is bundled with the Acer n50, would you happen to be able to tell us what the resolution of the device is? It looks exceedingly odd.

PocketTV Team

Yes, we know the resolution of the n50 but I don't think it has been announced already, and we are under NDA naturally, so you'll have to listen to rumors or be patient :)

The photo that has been circulating is clearly not a real photo of the screen. As you know, Pocket PC have resolutions limited to 320x240 (QVGA) or 640x480 (VGA), and Pocket PC 2003 Second Edition also allows 240x240 and 480x480 (square), although I have not seen any Pocket PC with square display.

So the aspect ratio of the screen in the n50 photos that are circulating is clearly wrong.

a_skeptic

Originally Posted by PocketTV Team

> Pocket TV is an inferior product. This is your opinion, but many people do not share it. > Sounds like they are having trouble how with to deal with that issue. Not sure what issue you are refering to, We have no problems with Betaplayer in general or with Picard, we think Betaplayer is very good. PocketTV does not have the same targets and goals as Betaplayer, but it is doing quite well (being bundled with several HP iPaq and with the new Acer n50) and many people like it and use it. It's always good for people to have the *choice* between several solutions and several free applications, don't you agree with that ?

I do think PocketTV is Inferior to BetaPlayer.

Did you try betaplayer? If not try it now and let us know what do you think.

If you come back and answer then one thing would be clear....


And if you don't then It would be clear to all reading this post that Pocket TV is inferior!!

Waiting for a Response.............

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Originally Posted by a_skeptic

I do think PocketTV is Inferior to BetaPlayer. Did you try betaplayer? If not try it now and let us know what do you think. If you come back and answer then one thing would be clear.... And if you don't then It would be clear to all reading this post that Pocket TV is inferior!! Waiting for a Response.............

a_skeptic, I know you feel left out, but if you look at the posts right above yours it's fair to say we've moved on from that subject.

PocketTV Team

> I do think PocketTV is Inferior to BetaPlayer.

We know it's your opinion, you already said it. After red, you should say it in bold, so that we really know what you think.

> Did you try betaplayer? If not try it now and let us know what do you think.

Of course, we tried it, and we agree that it is a very good application, too.

And when people ask us what are the best applications to play video on Pocket PC and Smartphone, we always recommend that they try Betaplayer.

Do you really think that we waited for your advice to try the latest unstable version of betaplayer ? oh my!

There are things that Betaplayer cannot yet do, like streaming, or capturing images, or stepping one frame at a time, that PocketTV does very well. So which is the best depends on what you want to do and of you personal preferences. Betaplayer is very fast and quite stable (in general), we all agree on that.

But that's not the topic of this thread, is it ? So, case closed, and please don't re-open it.

a_skeptic

Originally Posted by PocketTV Team

> I do think PocketTV is Inferior to BetaPlayer. We know it's your opinion, you already said it. After red, you should say it in bold, so that we really know what you think. > Did you try betaplayer? If not try it now and let us know what do you think. Of course, we tried it, and we agree that it is a very good application, too. And when people ask us what are the best applications to play video on Pocket PC and Smartphone, we always recommend that they try Betaplayer. Do you really think that we waited for your advice to try the latest unstable version of betaplayer ? oh my!

You didn't answer the question yet. Which one has better playback quality?

By the way I didn't find any instability even though its a beta version. But I might if a play lots of different kind of videos.

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> Which one has better playback quality?

You are off-topic again, but I'll answer:

When using hardware video decoders, the quality is defined by the hardware video processor, not by the application that parses the bits.

Betaplayer has a slightly faster bit parser (thanks to ffmpeg) and a faster audio decoder, so it has a slightly better fps in the rare case where nominal fps cannot be achieved. But in most cases PocketTV and Betaplayer can both play at nominal fps and the video quality of both is identical (when using a hardware video decoder).

That's the case with ATI, and it will be no different with the 2700G.

Does that answer your question ?

kazuni

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Do you really think that we waited for your advice to try the latest unstable version of betaplayer ? oh my!

wellsaid.

sometimes when people point out things for others as friendly advice(like u did pocket tv team), others think you're trying to do weird things and u get stupid opinions out of them.

but anyway, both players are for free (unless u want to/needed to aquire an enterprise liscence) so there's no "inferiority" going on.

IM0001

video support. Not to nock PocketTV more but i did not like it not playing half the videos i wanted it to play while BetaPlayer was able to. (I have a lot of videos of all different codec's heh) If that becomes fixed then id give it another whirl.

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>Unfortunately, I don't think I could have worded this statement (regarding GPL) in a way that would not have caused this reaction and flames.

So the subject is closed, the point has been noted, and hopefully the Betaplayer license will be corrected accordingly

I think its ok that pocket tv pointed it out but again I think it would have been better addressed in a private email rather than a public forum.

Eitherway I enjoy both programs, keep at it guys

allklrnoflr

Well whoever you are from PocketTV you should no doubt be ashamed of broadcasting the way you did. A PM or an e-mail would have been much more suitable. It kind of reminds me of the thread you had posted @ Brighthand boasting how much faster your player was only to be corrected by Picard himself.

http://discussion.brighthand.com/sho...0&pagenumber=1

At this point for me it has nothing to do with which player is better. I certainly will never load any type of software that you put out. I work in sales and one of the first things that I learned is that you sell on what your product does well rather than what the competitions product does poorly. No matter what ype of "spin" you want to put on this you are nothing more than a scummy sales person.

kazuni

why don't we all just chill ? :(

Ranma13

This thread needs to be locked at this point. I think people would have reacted differently if a user not affiliated with any 'competition programs' posted it instead of someone from the PocketTV team.

Regardless of how much you people want to denounce PocketTV as an inferior product and put down PocketTV Team for using underhanded tactics, the fact still remains that there's this GPL issue to resolve.