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Old 12-21-04, 10:57 PM   #51 (permalink)
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Some DVD have CSS protection. The FULL version od FairUse has CSS built-in. I donated the $13 USD. It's a great program.
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Old 12-22-04, 02:27 PM   #52 (permalink)
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But, from a person who is burning their own DVDs for personal use on an Axim, and not redistributing these files, doesn't CSS defeat the purpose?
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Old 12-22-04, 02:45 PM   #53 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Choirguy
But, from a person who is burning their own DVDs for personal use on an Axim, and not redistributing these files, doesn't CSS defeat the purpose?
I'm sorry. I'm not sure I understand what you're asking. Most commercially available DVDs have CSS encryption on them to protect against 1:1 copying/ripping. When your rip a DVD you need to crack the CSS keys to be able to copy the video. Hope this helps. If not, please let me know as DVD Video is what I do for a living.

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Old 12-22-04, 03:20 PM   #54 (permalink)
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What I thought Mariano was saying was that the full version of FairUse acknowledged the CSS, and therefore locked the user from being able to make a copy of the DVD.

Does that make sense?
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Old 12-23-04, 12:05 PM   #55 (permalink)
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I've been a faithful user of PocketDivX Encoder (PDE). However, I just tried FU and WOW! It's also slow, but Matrix 3 looks better at 600mb Xvid than 800mb DivX using PDE. I will try to get to 500mb and see the results. If I can get 2 HQ movies on a 1GB, I'd be in heaven. There are plug-ins for windows media player if you want to watch DIVX and XVID on your pc also.

http://www.divxmovies.com/software/
and get DivX codec v5.2.1 (Windows XP/2000)
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XviD codec v1.0.3
Now widows will play both. However, if you pre-rotate using fu, they will play sideways in Windows media player, as it should.

I believe the full version of FU allows you to make files larger than 700mb. This isn't a concern for us PDA people as I have found the 700mb file to be very nice quality.
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Old 12-23-04, 01:19 PM   #56 (permalink)
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okay, this thing is sweet! Was using DVD Wizard and it never sync'd the voice to the video correctly! With FU, it looks and sounds great, ripped Princess Bride in 3hrs into a 512mb avi file.

Have not transferred it yet, but did notice on my second DVD (Tomb Stone) I could pick the output resolution. What are you guys using?

And since I didn't pick a resolution for the first movie, I will report back how it looks on my x50v
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Old 12-23-04, 01:21 PM   #57 (permalink)
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Fu is the way I've gone as well. On a 2 hour movie, the lowest I can go is 600 mb...

Would people mind posting their settings?

I'm trying to get a 2 hr. movie to 500 mbs as well... but other settings I want:

640x480 (I've recently gone 480x352 and it looks just as good!)
Divx or XviD? Seems that Divx is giving me better quality! The free one as well!
32 kbit/s for audio? mp3 or ogg?
Pre-rotated to save processor space
I was able to get LOTR:ROTK (2hrs 51 mins) to 603mb and it looks SOLID using this set up....
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Old 12-23-04, 02:29 PM   #58 (permalink)
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Thanks, I tried Ashampoo, Windows media encoder, and Flaskmpeg, and none of them worked.

Ashampoo worked, but for some reason it was outputting 33MB file for a 90 minute movie. picture quality was horrendous. the size was amazing though.
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Old 12-23-04, 02:54 PM   #59 (permalink)
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This is actually related to this thread, even though it may not seem like it.

Can you folks who don't have any information about your PDA on your profile or MyPDA take a moment or two and post something?

The reason is that this is a place where resolutions are discussed at some frequency, and it is helpful to know if you're talking about a X50, X30, X3, X5, or some other PDA.

Although an X30 will certainly handle a 700 MB or 500 MB movie, the QVGA screen is going to naturally limit the point at which the picture isn't going to get any better.

I've been very, very happy with the quality I'm getting with Fair Use with its auto feature, and setting the file size at 250 MB and the audio at 80.

If you have an X50 or a HP4700 series, perhaps this size will be too low of a resolution for you to enjoy the movie, which is fine, because you have the CF option.

Now...separate problem...has anyone else used FairUse to rip any of the very famous trilogy about Rings, one that comes in extended versions? I'm getting superscript titles on the screen that flash on and off every now and then on these decoded movies, and I'm wondering if anyone else has experienced this.
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Old 12-23-04, 03:47 PM   #60 (permalink)
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Im really loving this program. Its just so simple to use and its nice doing everything within one program. Im not sure if it really is slow, but on my Dell 2.8ghz machine then i just leave the thing running at night and it doesnt bother me at all.

Also, the BEST feature here is that it can do multiple shows. So those TV box sets can be dumped into individual episodes all in one session. Ive already done simpsons season 5 and am working on TV shows from my TiVo. I got a new tivo that has DVD built in so i just dump shows on DVD then convert them with FU. I used to have to run programs through a vid capture card then reencode them to the right size, but this way work much better and has a much cleaner picture.

DVD to PocketPC is gone forever for me.
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Old 12-23-04, 09:19 PM   #61 (permalink)
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my ripped Princess Bride avi file plays PERFECTLY on my x50v. this is the file from my previous post stating I did not choose an output resolution
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Old 12-23-04, 11:49 PM   #62 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Choirguy
What I thought Mariano was saying was that the full version of FairUse acknowledged the CSS, and therefore locked the user from being able to make a copy of the DVD.

Does that make sense?
Yes, CSS is designed to prevent people from copying DVDs. In computers the keys prevent the data from going anywhere besides your display. This way other programs or devices cannot intercept this data and capture it. I don't have the full version of FU, so I don't know if it cracks the CSS keys or not. Once you system has the keys the data can be sent anywhere you'd like it to be (i.e, to FU for re-encoding). AnyDVD is a very good program for this (www.slysoft.com), but it isn't free. Hope this helps.

FWIW, I've just been making backups of my DVDs with DVDshrink and then using FU to encode from the burned disc. I haven't noticed any loss in quality as a result of re-encoding twice.

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Old 12-24-04, 12:19 AM   #63 (permalink)
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Wow cool program!
I ripped Day After Tomorrow into 250mb, 304x128 with great sound. All in one program, gotta love this.
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Old 12-24-04, 01:20 PM   #64 (permalink)
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Didn't care too much for the video output of a 300mb file, the movie was Willow. Maybe got spoiled with the 500mb files. Running it on a x50v
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Old 12-24-04, 05:02 PM   #65 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by 24va
Didn't care too much for the video output of a 300mb file, the movie was Willow. Maybe got spoiled with the 500mb files. Running it on a x50v
I agree. I can't go less than 500 MB now for a 2hr movie.
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Old 12-28-04, 02:10 AM   #67 (permalink)
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Hey,
I downloaded fair use and tried to copy "Spiderman" but all that came out was a music file...something about a missing codec? If you know what is wrong, please respond.
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Originally Posted by DrGonzo2k2
Yes, CSS is designed to prevent people from copying DVDs. In computers the keys prevent the data from going anywhere besides your display. This way other programs or devices cannot intercept this data and capture it.
Actually that is incorrect, CSS was designed to prevent the manufacture of DVD players that were not licensed by the DVD Copy Control Association. 1:1 copying has been possible from the very beginning but the necessary equipment was so expensive only commercial pirates were able to do so, counterfeit DVD's turned up in Asia long before CSS was broken.

Your second point is also incorrect as PC's are inherently untrusted systems, there is no secure bus all the way from DVD drive to display, the decoding is done in software which could easily have been hacked to write a decrypted MPEG output stream to disk instead of being decoded and displayed as software players contain legitimate player keys. This turned out to be unnecessary as the CSS algorithm contained several flaws that were exploited to enable content recovery.

Remember that DeCSS was designed to allow DVD playback under Linux because nobody would pay the fee required to produce a licensed player. Enabling the conversion to other formats (primarily back to DVD MPEG2 or MPEG4) was not the authors intention and is merely a side benefit.

Eeeeek enough rambling......

FairUse looks pretty damned good, I never realised it had been resurrected. Personally I'll be sticking with Gordian Knot as it can do a few things that FU can't do with the downside that it is more complicated to operate but either will do an excellent job.

@24va: Going below 0.17 bits per pixel (this figure is in the list where you choose output resolution) for your encodes will generally produce poor output quality. At full VGA resolution even 500MB for a 2 hour movie is pushing the codec very hard, fortunately the small screen size helps hide the lack of detail.

Originally Posted by ToddHarper
Hey,
I downloaded fair use and tried to copy "Spiderman" but all that came out was a music file...something about a missing codec? If you know what is wrong, please respond.
What codec did you compress with and which player are you trying to use?

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betaplayer: http://corecodec.org/frs/?group_id=9&release_id=3
Ok, I am a little confused which Beta file from the list to download. I understand it will be one or all of the top 4 from this link, but ??? Sorry to seem so uninformed but I am.
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Originally Posted by ngolfer
I having a problem with this program, i have gotten through the begging of the process but when i start the converting it gives me this error. IT said "The DVD could not be converted" and it had this >>>could not load codec settings. Could someone tell me how to fix this?
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I ran into the same problem. Try opening the DVD with a viewer and pausing it once it starts. This unlocks the movie and allows FU to do it's thing.
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I did shrek2( 1hr 23 mins ) at 640x480 to a 510meg xvid avi file.the sound I set at 128k and mp3.
the video is excellent but the sound volume is low. I watched it on my x50v . anyone found a way to increase the volume?
I will try an action movie today rather than a cartoon and still try for ~500meg
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Ok, I am a little confused which Beta file from the list to download. I understand it will be one or all of the top 4 from this link, but ??? Sorry to seem so uninformed but I am.
The best pick is actually betaplayer.setup.UNSTABLE.0.095.exe, don't let the name put you off as unstable means the features are constantly being changed/updated not that it doesn't work properly. The stable release is a long way behind feature-wise and is only recommended if you have serious problems with the newest unstable version. The different files are all explained on the download page.
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Old 12-30-04, 09:44 PM   #73 (permalink)
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I had converted 5 or 6 DVDs using PPC2DVD that I purchased... and was not happy with the audio lag and choppy video on my X5A.

I d/l'd FU and have since converted 30 DVDs and they play great on my X with the default settings. Count on the movies being between 250 - 325MB each, and that is fine with me. I don't have them ALL on my 1GB SD card, hehe.. I can get bunches of them on 1 DVD though.. love that.

FU is the bomb.
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I just starting using FU yesterday and all i can say is WOW :) I really think this program is amazing! I have tried all the others and for simplicity, this one fits the job. I greatly appreciate this form and axium for helping me answer all these questions. How can you deny the fact that the program is free and yeah it takes a long time but, ha.. "pocket dvd movies" :love: I give them wonderful credit for what the program does. It simplified my job a lot. Does any one know what the difference between XVid and DivX? I remember reading a post that I think betapicard was working on using an XVid decoder on the x50v. Is there any difference on quality between the 2? PocketDivXEncoder is another incredible tool. Give them cudos for the GUI type interface which is much easier that Dr DivX. :love: Thanks for everything. Dan
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fore some reason I can't get to either site mentioned in this post hmmmm

Maybe it's to good and is getting pulled already?

Any new link or would some be interested in letting me know how I could get it - e-mail maybe?

Thanks for the post - it sounds great :approve:
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