That's a little harsh, fellas. He just tried to point out some things that betaplayer doesnt do or hasn't support for yet. Granted, on some points he was off but so what. Picards contribution in this thread leads me to believe that both authors of software know what it's lacking and what will be worked on. I don't think either one is taking any "pot shots" at the other.
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Full uninstall of all older versions. Downloaded pockettv classic from the website today and installed via activesync to BIS.
I'm using SE_vga to run in "true vga" or forced vga mode. (3rd party hack)
In that mode, all videos only take up 1/4 of the screen. I've tried the action button and it makes it even smaller, indicating that the 1st choice was some sort of bestfit option. Great program and I've used it before, but now I run stuff in vga and would still like to use it. :
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Oh, and I've tried the original dell driver and tha gapi tweaks.
Thanks for the report. We'll look into that.
Can you tell us where you got your version of SE_vga ?
To know the actual physical (VGA) screen size, PocketTV relies on the dimentions returned by GETRAWFRAMEBUFFER.
It would appear that GETRAWFRAMEBUFFER returns an incorrect size when using SE_vga, in which case it would be a bug caused by SE_vga.
We will look into this. Thanks for pointing this out.
I agree harsh comaprisons made a very unpleasent thread. When Picard first released his 2700g plug-in there was some harsh words spoken and it was not good... I think that all got sorted in the end though.
I think maybe it would be good if PocketTV sold thier product on what it does and avoid direct comparisions to BetaPlayer. Let people make thier own mind up.
I think it would be nice if constructive comments were given as to what features Pocket TV might include to make it a better product. So lets focus on positives?
I think there is room in the market place for both freeware products. So play nice guys and gals :)
> It seems like PocketTV Team likes to point out the fallacies in Betaplayer without doing much research.
We never used the word "fallacies".
We thing Betaplayer is a great piece of software, and this is the result of the work of many people (see their copyright statement).
All we said is that PocketTV and Betaplayer have different features, and some people like to have the choice.
> 1. Betaplayer CAN stream videos off of the net, and also audio files like shoutcast and WMP streams.
Can Betaplayer stream from http servers ?
> 2. By default, the player uses right-handed landscape orientation for its full-screen view, which is what the majority of people want. There's no need to change it unless you want to, and it's very easy to do so.
PocketTV adjusts the fullscreen orientation automatically in both landscape orientation. I don't think Betaplayer can do that automatically.
3. He states that Betaplayer has a plethora of options that make little sense or are useless.
It is true that a number of the Betaplayer options are of little use for the end user. Do you often use "Null Audio" versus "Disabled audio" ?
> Last time I checked, an equalizer wasn't useless,
Although the way it works (by scaling the MPEG audio sub-bands) results in a very distorted sound, so practically it does not work too well, have you ever tried it ? That's why we never implemented it (it would be easy to implement, really). Some devices, like the iPaq 3900, have a DSP-based equalizer that works much better.
> neither was color and saturation settings, hotkeys
color and saturation settings and hotkeys are very useful, and we also have that in PocketTV. And when you adjust color and saturation with PocketTV, you see the effect on the video in real time. Not the case with Betaplayer.
> and the player settings themselves. Betaplayer automatically detects which driver would give the best speed during playback and all you have to do after you install it is pick the file you want to play and it works fine. The settings are there only if you want to tweak something.
PocketTV also detects which driver would give the best speed during playback. We also provide options to tweak settings when this makes sense for the end-user.
> With that said, how many people actually use MPG anymore?
Apparently yes, MPEG is still a popular format. Maybe that's because it is "legal", i.e. there are no patent royalties attached to the use of the mpeg1 format. divx uses technology that is subject to patent royalties (mpeg-4 video, mp3 audio).
> AVI is definitely by far way more popular,
AVI ? You mean DivX. AVI is just a container format.
Yes, of course, DivX (which is based on MPEG-4) is more popular among the file-sharing and DVD-ripping community.
Last edited by PocketTV Team; 02-07-05 at 08:06 PM.
Well I'm glad to hear about this updated version of PocketTV. I'm new to the Windows Mobile world, so I'm looking forward to trying the different players and formats and figuring out what works for me :)
I agree that it's a fantastic thing to have a number of different popular players available.
Came up with following results (full screen):
149.68% 35.93 fps - Pocket TV 1.0.3
187.32% 44.91 fps - Betaplayer unstable .096 (sound disabled like PTV is)
Both programs are installed on main memory and video is on SD card.
What advantages does Pocket TV have over Betaplayer? It is not like I will encode full movies to mpegs anyway. Doing short clips does a mpeg at 640x480 look any better than a DivX or XviD file encoded at similar bit rates?
We did the test with the original (A01 10130400) ROM. We get benchmark results of 185% to 187%, the same as those of Betaplayer. Processor speed is set to Auto.
We will check what's happening with the new ROM. It is possible that some bug workaround that we had to implement with the old ROM have a negative effect with the new ROM.
The 2700G drivers in both ROM's are different, so that may be the explanation.
Can you try running both benchmarks with the processor speed set to Maximum, to see if it makes any difference ?
In any case, even the lower numbers that you observe are more than sufficient to play fullscreen VGA at full framerate, so it's more like an academic issue, but we will definitely look into that and do tests with the new ROM.
> What advantages does Pocket TV have over Betaplayer?
When playing MPEG files, PocketTV have features that do not exist in Betaplayer, and some people like them (e.g. http streaming, frame capture, frame stepping etc). It's just another choice of freeware, and having choice is always good.
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PocketTV Team came here to tell us about the work that has been done to their software to optimize it for the x50v, and what do people here do? Bitch about it. Not to mention the fact that this is FREEWARE we are talking about, something that neither BetaPlayer nor PocketTV Team HAVE to make. I find it sickening that some of you can't even show the software designers/coders that have been working on this software (PocketTV) more respect than that. I could care LESS if you like the software or not. If you find a bug, then report that. Otherwise, show some respect and keep your mouths shut.
PocketTV - I would like to personally apologize to you for the disrespectful, out-of-line, and down right rude comments made by some of the members here. I know there are alot of other members out there that really DO appreciate all the work that your whole team has put forth to bring us this new version.
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Can you tell us where you got your version of SE_vga ?
To know the actual physical (VGA) screen size, PocketTV relies on the dimentions returned by GETRAWFRAMEBUFFER.
It would appear that GETRAWFRAMEBUFFER returns an incorrect size when using SE_vga, in which case it would be a bug caused by SE_vga.
We will look into this. Thanks for pointing this out.
Same goes when using OzVGA. But as I said before, when starting up in portrait mode, PocketTV automatically switches to landscape for forscreen playback and positions the movie correctly. It is only when the OS switches to landscape mode when this issue arises.
Fanboys are like that folks. They get one product/movie/sports team as their favorite and god help anyone who disagrees.
I actually had to contact one developer to call off a fanboy who was flaming any thread of a competing product. Evidently having your hero tell you to stop does work, Nothing else does in my experiences. Well physically removing threads and posts does have a temporary effect anyway. ;)
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I find it sickening that some of you can't even show the software designers/coders that have been working on this software (PocketTV) more respect than that. I could care LESS if you like the software or not. If you find a bug, then report that. Otherwise, show some respect and keep your mouths shut.
The PocketTV devs have previously not only made some rather rude insinuations of their own, but also come out with what were felt by the majority of the people here to be dirty tricks aimed at the development of BetaPlayer. If there's lingering resentment, I'd suspect it has much more to do with that than with any preference of software. And, if you want to talk about rude, your post demanding that all dissenters shut up is considerably more rude than anyone else has gotten as yet.
I did get those numbers running at maximum settings (624 mhz) and after soft resets before both benchmarks. I am running A02 rom (as you saw on my brighthand post). I did get the numbers with the default settings of Pocket TV install. If there is a setting that I need to change, let me know.
When you got the same speed, was video on SD card or main memory? Was it running full screen when benched with pocket tv?
I turned off the tweaked GAPI driver to make sure there was not a conflict. no change. If there is anything else you would like me try to find problem, let me know.
I appreciate you optimizing your software for the 2700g. I think it is great when anyone is optimizing software (and for free) for hardware that I have. Hopefully this will lead to more people doing the same. I was impressed with increase in performance from your last non-2700g version that I tried.
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