Dad

Originally Posted by PocketTV Team

In fact Dad did not use the correct test file.

Anyhoo, moving right along, This was on a freshly hard reset (don't ask!) X50V with ROM A02 using the test file from PocketTV

151.43% on PocketTV and 171.14% on betaplayer

Adrian Knack

I might be missing the point here but don't we all view the movies at 100% frame rate?

Cheers
Adrian

PS. I know the answer to this question I just hate arguing.

PocketTV Team

Originally Posted by Dad

Anyhoo, moving right along, This was on a freshly hard reset (don't ask!) X50V with ROM A02 using the test file from PocketTV 151.43% on PocketTV and 171.14% on betaplayer

Really strange, ever your Betaplayer result seems too low, since it gets 187% with our A01 ROM (I just ran the test again for the n'th time).

PocketTV Team

Originally Posted by Adrian Knack

I might be missing the point here but don't we all view the movies at 100% frame rate? Cheers Adrian PS. I know the answer to this question I just hate arguing.

Yes, naturally, as long as you can benchmark video at more than 120% or so, it will play perfectly smoothly at 100% i.e. full framerate with audio in VGA resolution. But still we want to understand those performance discrepensy, especially since PocketTv and Betaplayer are using the same hardware chip to do the decoding. However, the 2700G driver with the various ROM version are different, and this can create some issues.

Dad

Originally Posted by PocketTV Team

Really strange, ever your Betaplayer result seems too low, since it gets 187% with our A01 ROM (I just ran the test again for the n'th time).

I restored to ROM A01,and ran both tests again post soft rest, numerous times, same results (+/- 0.5%) each time
PocketTV 189.47%
BetaPlayer 170.99%

PocketTV would drop to 184.5% if I didn't soft reset before benchmarking, BetaPlayer was always 170%.

I used the application as installed to BuiltInStorage from before I restored the ROM without re-installing the applications. The test file was on the SD Card.

for what is worth ....

PocketTV Team

Originally Posted by Dad

I restored to ROM A01,and ran both tests again post soft rest, numerous times, same results (+/- 0.5%) each time PocketTV 189.47% BetaPlayer 170.99% PocketTV would drop to 184.5% if I didn't soft reset before benchmarking, BetaPlayer was always 170%. I used the application as installed to BuiltInStorage from before I restored the ROM without re-installing the applications. The test file was on the SD Card. for what is worth ....

Thanks. So this *does* confirm independently our results, thanks for taking the pain of doing that :)

For Betaplayer, we get 185-187%, but maybe that's because we use a different version from the one that you use. We used Betaplayer UNSTABLE 0.096 . Did you do the tests with this one, or with the stable version 0.5 ?

Dad

UNSTABLE 0.096

No matter what I do, can't shake the 170% (higher or lower)

PocketTV Team

Originally Posted by Dad

UNSTABLE 0.096 No matter what I do, can't shake the 170% (higher or lower)

For the Betaplayer benchmark, you need to select Audio = Disabled, and Video = Intel 2700G Decoder. Did you disable audio ?

I get also 170% if I don't disable audio, so I think that's the issue there. But since PocketTV disables audio during benchmark, you need to disable it in betaplayer to get fair comparison.

Dad

that'd be it - 187.24% being the very first thing run post hard reset with audio disabled.

185.5% after exiting BP and starting up again and then benchamrking again... (strange huh?)

PocketTV Team

Originally Posted by Dad

that'd be it - 187.24% being the very first thing run post hard reset with audio disabled. 185.5% after exiting BP and starting up again and then benchamrking again... (strange huh?)

No, variations of +- 3% seem to be something normal, nothing to worry about.

So now you see what I see: Betaplayer and PocketTV with basically the same benchmark results of 185-189% with the A01 ROM.

Now why the hell does the newer, supposedly better ROM reduces the performances of PocketTV, that's a mystery. Especially since there is absolutely no code in PocketTV to test the x50v ROM or driver version and to do things differently with one or the other.

JoeQFlyer

Originally Posted by PocketTV Team

You are reading too much.

Thanks for clearing that up for me.

-Q-

rsmith4321

Originally Posted by PocketTV Team

You are reading too much. We just wrote that DivX (which is based on MPEG-4) is the most popular format among the file-sharing and DVD-ripping community. I think this is a well known fact, do you disagree ? We never said this forum was an illegal dvd ripping forum. In fact we think that DVD ripping should be legal, as long as it is for "fair use" (e.g. watch DVD's your own DVD's on your Pocket PC). Whether you code the ripped content in MPEG or DivX/Xvid, it should be legal if you just want to watch your own DVD's. Now file sharing is another issue, and clearly lots of hollywood companies (film copyright owners) clearly think that it is illegal to share ripped film and music on the internet (most ot it being in DivX format), and they are technically correct, this file sharing enfringes on their copyrights. But they must also understand why people do it: It't because 1) it's technically possible and it's easy 2) purchasing "legal" downloadable content is generally not possible, and when it is, it is way too expensive. 3) people don't "feel" like file sharing is "stealing". However, this is totally off-topic in this thread. You should probably start another thread to discuss the legality of DVD ripping and file sharing.

This is Pocket TV's reasoning. Does anyone else think this is a bit insane :) Here goes.

Our software is better because the format takes up so much space to get acceptable quality, that people don't use it to pirate moves etc. People love to use the illegal codecs in betaplayer, because you can compress a whole movie under 200MB. You could use our software for the same illegal activies as others, but no one wants to because the codec is so old and lousy and takes up huge amount of room. All of you that are using betaplayer on this forum know you download illegal movies etc, if fact MP3 and Divx are actually illegal formats!!

Tell me if this is not basically what Pocket TV said? I found his comments that divx use is illegal to be confusing and offensive, read the original post. Some of us use it to rip our DVD's, not download from the internet. And we like betaplayer because we can actally fit a movie on a 256 card. Pocket TV team, please don't come on here and tell the users of this forum that we are doing something illegal just because we like a better video format that is supported betaplayer, to me, that is truly crazy.

Try this for a change, make some actual improvements to your software. For example, make it play some video codecs that have actually been used in mobile devices in the past 2 years. Then your big brag won't have to be that it somehow rotates the screen better, or it is better because it has less options. Anyone agree?

serpa4

I just did a real test in my everyday configuration:
POWER SAVING MODE:
BetaPlayer: 148%
PocketTV: 98%

And at 624MHz:
BetaPlayer: 191%
PocketTV: 164%

AO2 rom using file:5e-640x480-1.7Mbps MPEG
Files ran from RAM.

Mediocrites

Originally Posted by rsmith4321

This is Pocket TV's reasoning. Does anyone else think this is a bit insane :) Here goes.

Uhh, you might want to check the chemical content of your breakfast cereal.

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flipcody

Not to dwell on this because this was not the intent of original post but I do agree with rssmith to an extent.

I use DivX and XviD to encode movies and these are legal codecs and I bought the Pro version of DivX for $20 and bought the Fairuse Full version as well. I have never downloaded a movie off the internet and and I imagine that most the people that use these codecs have not as well.

I appreciate what Pocket TV is doing and think it is awesome that they have optimized for 2700g but think it unlikely that I will keep on my X50v. I definately won't keep in regular memory (move over to BIS or SD card). I just don't need the added features that Pocket TV has and Betaplayer works very well for me. If I ran a lot of mpeg movies I would consider it but I really do not.

On a related note it would be nice if web sites that have pocket movies (like pocketmovies.net) would do more in DivX/XviD and at higher resolutions. I would love to watch a film like "The Beauty of Life" at 640x480! http://www.pocketmovies.net/detail_290.html

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