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Old 06-29-06, 07:00 PM   #16 (permalink)
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I hate Dell Support and Customer Service....BUT...

I truly think IMO that Dell could give us an affordable UMPC. Look what they did with AXIM. They rolled out a great VGA handheld and kept the cost down. Why not with UMPC??

I'm waiting too. That would be great.

Maybe that's the reason there are no Axims on the Dell Outlet site. I know they're still selling them, but I've been checking the outlet for 2 weeks now, just browsing and there haven't been any available for quite some time.
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Old 06-29-06, 09:56 PM   #17 (permalink)
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OK Dell, listen up, this is what I want in the evolution (and yes, it is a good name):
  • Slide-out keyboard that you can half-slide-out to reveal only classic PDA control buttons (d-pad, action buttons, etc).
  • PDA mode which loads only basic, PDA functions, for quick-on functionality.
  • Long battery life, through smart power management or new technology.
  • Dockability, usability as a laptop/desktop replacement.
  • Affordable.
Do this, and the UMPC world is your oyster.

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Old 06-30-06, 02:50 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by PocketBrain
OK Dell, listen up, this is what I want in the evolution (and yes, it is a good name):
  • Slide-out keyboard that you can half-slide-out to reveal only classic PDA control buttons (d-pad, action buttons, etc).
  • PDA mode which loads only basic, PDA functions, for quick-on functionality.
  • Long battery life, through smart power management or new technology.
  • Dockability, usability as a laptop/desktop replacement.
  • Affordable.
Do this, and the UMPC world is your oyster.

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PDA mode doesn't seem essential to me neither does the keyboard. I guess that is personal opinion though.

I can agree on the others though, I would like to see battery life in the four-five hour range by the time Dell releases a UMPC.
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Greater battery life would be a must.

I would like the drop down keyboard though. PDA mode is not essential to me. I have my X50 for that.
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PDA mode would be essential if they are positioning their UMPC to be a PDA replacement.
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Old 06-30-06, 04:44 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by PocketBrain
PDA mode would be essential if they are positioning their UMPC to be a PDA replacement.
It would add to the cost way too much though.

Maybe they could have a different version of the model with it, but the standard model I dont think requires it.
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Originally Posted by fishwood
It would add to the cost way too much though.

Maybe they could have a different version of the model with it, but the standard model I dont think requires it.
I don't think so... would be just a startup option to simply not load programs/drivers, etc. that are not necessary for PDA operation. I'm not thinking about a DualCore-type of setup.
I'm no expert, though.
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I don't think so... would be just a startup option to simply not load programs/drivers, etc. that are not necessary for PDA operation. I'm not thinking about a DualCore-type of setup.
I'm no expert, though.
Ahh sorry I misunderstood I thought you meant having both OSs installed.
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Actually, all you'd need is a reliable hibernation mode, so everything is always loaded and turning it on just brings it back from hibernation. Or a trickle standby mode or something like that. It can be much more generalized than just a PDA mode would.

If your PDA apps are loaded on startup, then they're available when you bring it back from hibernation or standby.

I find it hard to believe that portable PDA capabilities won't be displaced entirely by PDA/phones though. I've seen how people use the fulltime online WM PDAs with the sliding keyboards combined with their cell phones, and I have a hard time believing a UMPC that doesn't have such a network can compete in functionality.
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Yeah, I was thinking suspend mode. This might limit your RAM speed, though. I haven't seen very reliable recoveries from hibernate; they would have to work on that. Convergence devices might infringe on pure PDA's but not a UMPC. The UMPC can be a full PC device, so it is much more versatile.

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Old 07-03-06, 02:11 AM   #26 (permalink)
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I'm with PocketBrain!

Everything PB asked for is reasonable in an Ultra-Mobile device.

Battery Power: This is THE issue to address. 5 hours? I say 6-8! How about optional exttended batteries?

Price: Beat the competition on the price vs the value offered, and rule the marketplace.

Keyboard: Look at Sony's new device, a sliding KB is a must! The multiple function/PDA buttons is a good idea, as long as an external KB option is available.

WiFi & Bluetooth: Heck yeah! Add in a PCMCIA slot or a Mini-PCI so a cellular data option is available too.

External Ports: USB (3-4) & Video out, nothing else needed.

Memory Slots: SD & Mini or Micro SD. One for peripherals, one for RAM. No need to choose one over another.

Video: 800 x 600, Yeah Baby! Make it bright, clean, clear, and FAST! Video RAM & acceleration, just like my X51v, has, but much better.

Well, that's my $0.02 worth!

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800x600... hmmmm, SVGA. Was I far off on my prediction? I mocked-up the "Axim X70S" (with a Win Mobile screen showing on a n apple Newton), S for SVGA. With the larger screen, of course you will get higher res. UMPC minimum spec is for XVGA 800 x 480, so standard SVGA would meet/exceed. I think the most limiting factor of the UMPC spec is the requirement of a 7" screen. It would restrict a maker to a device larger than the current crop of PDA's. It would Be nice to see dell defy this requirement and build the Evolution, or one model in the line, with a 4" to 5" screen. Of course, this would further change the OSK option.

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Keyboard: Look at Sony's new device, a sliding KB is a must! The multiple function/PDA buttons is a good idea, as long as an external KB option is available.
I don't know, I would preffer a seperate keyboard for two reasons:
  1. It makes the device heavy and thick.
  2. A sliding keyboard is too small, and just not very comfortable.

As for the screen size, I personally find anything under 7 inches running windows becomes un-usable.

The resolution is a little annoying though, not simply because it is not standard. But because Microsoft are not supporting it, even standard windows dialogue boxes sometimes do not fit on screen (according to UMPC users).
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Same here. I hope Dell makes it nice and small and the price very good (500-700 region, like Bill Gates originally promised). If they can manage that i'm a buyer, but above all, it would make for competition, forcing competitors to lower their prices.
I would definitely be interested if Dell came through as you mention!:approve: Hey, Dell guys, are you listening?????? New market!
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Originally Posted by frankenbike
Actually, all you'd need is a reliable hibernation mode, so everything is always loaded and turning it on just brings it back from hibernation. Or a trickle standby mode or something like that. It can be much more generalized than just a PDA mode would.

If your PDA apps are loaded on startup, then they're available when you bring it back from hibernation or standby.

I find it hard to believe that portable PDA capabilities won't be displaced entirely by PDA/phones though. I've seen how people use the fulltime online WM PDAs with the sliding keyboards combined with their cell phones, and I have a hard time believing a UMPC that doesn't have such a network can compete in functionality.
How about putting the OS and essential utilities on a ROM chip or something similar? That way, they load up and power up right away!

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