Well, they've (Palmone, palm, whatever) been talking about how they weren't committed to just using the PalmOS any more and hinted strongly at making just this move. I think something like this could put the company back on the map as a company to beat.
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Definately, when this is released (providing it is real) it will be a PDA revolution, everyone, and I mean everyone, will be after one of these. Just hoping for built in WiFi (pretty please?).
Ofcourse, the videos posted are still skeptical. When I had my Sony Clie NR70v, I found a application on the web (for Palm OS) that visually replicated Windows 98, it didn't do anything else, just show a fake OS. This could be the same thing. For all we know, this could be a simple Palm OS program showing a few different SCREENSHOTS of Windows Mobile on a regular Palm OS treo :S. I sure hope thats not the case...
Definately, when this is released (providing it is real) it will be a PDA revolution, everyone, and I mean everyone, will be after one of these. Just hoping for built in WiFi (pretty please?).
Believe it or not, some users would prefer a Palm OS smartphone to a WM2005 device. I know I would. As much as I appreciate the greater power of the Pocket PC environment, the Palm OS is more stable. I have to reset the Axim several times a week. I can't have that kind of instability with a phone or the same level of maintence headaches.
And, of course, there is still the issue of third party applications. I'm shocked that, after all this time, there still isn't a decent third-party version of Pocket Word, Excel, etc. The corresponding applications on the Palm are a lot stronger.
The Treo 650 is a hot seller for a number of reasons. May Treo users would have little interest in a Windows Mobile OS.
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Believe it or not, some users would prefer a Palm OS smartphone to a WM2005 device. I know I would. As much as I appreciate the greater power of the Pocket PC environment, the Palm OS is more stable. I have to reset the Axim several times a week. I can't have that kind of instability with a phone or the same level of maintence headaches.
And, of course, there is still the issue of third party applications. I'm shocked that, after all this time, there still isn't a decent third-party version of Pocket Word, Excel, etc. The corresponding applications on the Palm are a lot stronger.
The Treo 650 is a hot seller for a number of reasons. May Treo users would have little interest in a Windows Mobile OS.
No argument here, there are definately people who would prefer Palm OS over WM, but I am not one of them. There are many people who would LOVE a WM-based Treo.
A few soft resets a week do not bother me in the least. WM's features outweigh it's user-unfriendlyness :). Although I have not used Palm OS past v4.2 on my ancient Clie...
the only bother I would have is if I were in the middle of talking with someone and had to reset the phone. Other than that, or if they can keep the 2 seperate from each other, it wouldn't be too bad. Still hate the size of those phones, though... too big for my tastes.
I don't mean to highjack this treo thread, but is it the clamshell design of the HTC Universal thats the issue. I'm sure a VGA version of the XDA IIs can't be to far away. And if its got WM 5.0 then the case will be closed as they say. Now to return this thread to the treo 670.
And, of course, there is still the issue of third party applications. I'm shocked that, after all this time, there still isn't a decent third-party version of Pocket Word, Excel, etc. The corresponding applications on the Palm are a lot stronger.
Not to hijack the thread either, but this is simply not true. Softmaker (www.softmaker.com) provides wonderful, full-featured applications which not only replace but far surpass pocket word and excel. Textmaker and Planmaker are wonderful programs: though expensive (if you can't wait for a sale), they are worth every penny.
Not to hijack the thread either, but this is simply not true. Softmaker (www.softmaker.com) provides wonderful, full-featured applications which not only replace but far surpass pocket word and excel. Textmaker and Planmaker are wonderful programs: though expensive (if you can't wait for a sale), they are worth every penny.
I've used those apps and yeah, they're much better than the ROM apps. But, they're not better (and, IMO, they're actually inferior) to the apps that come standard on most Palm units (not the Palm OS ROM apps - the third party apps that are typically bundled).
As to the instability issue: I had a relatively unstable Smartphone for a while (which, btw, was a Palm OS smartphone). It was a total pain. There were times when I was waiting for a call, and found that my phone had locked up or needed to be reset. I love the Windoms Mobile environment, but it is not the most stable OS in the world. For a phone OS, I'd want greater stability.
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I've used those apps and yeah, they're much better than the ROM apps. But, they're not better (and, IMO, they're actually inferior) to the apps that come standard on most Palm units (not the Palm OS ROM apps - the third party apps that are typically bundled).
As to the instability issue: I had a relatively unstable Smartphone for a while (which, btw, was a Palm OS smartphone). It was a total pain. There were times when I was waiting for a call, and found that my phone had locked up or needed to be reset. I love the Windoms Mobile environment, but it is not the most stable OS in the world. For a phone OS, I'd want greater stability.
Have you tried the Westtek ClearVue Suite? I actually preferred it to the Palm apps I used to have. It has a lot of great functionality of the full-version desktop apps, and also supports printing through the HP Mobile Printing driver.
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Have you tried the Westtek ClearVue Suite? I actually preferred it to the Palm apps I used to have. It has a lot of great functionality of the full-version desktop apps, and also supports printing through the HP Mobile Printing driver.
Aren't those apps just viewers with no edit abilities?
Either way, the point is that most PALM OS units come, out of the box, with office apps that are far superior to the Pocket versions of Word and Excel. For me, that isn't a deal break (obviously, because my primary PDA is a Dell Axim!). I guess my main goal was to rebute the suggestoin that a Windows Treo would necessarily be a much desirable phone than a Palm OS Treo. There are good reasons why some users prefer the Palm OS. And, as a longtime user of both Palm OS and Pocket PC, I'd probably prefer the Palm for smartphone purposes (because it is more stable).
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I guess my main goal was to rebute the suggestoin that a Windows Treo would necessarily be a much desirable phone than a Palm OS Treo. There are good reasons why some users prefer the Palm OS. And, as a longtime user of both Palm OS and Pocket PC, I'd probably prefer the Palm for smartphone purposes (because it is more stable).
For me the formfactor of the treo is just wrong.. whatever OS is on it. It's gotta be a hell of a device to be better than the Jam/MDA Compact
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