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Old 05-04-03, 03:17 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Question Axim or Tungsten T or Ipaq 3970?

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I'm looking for a PDA specifically for account work and spreadsheet (Excel) input working with files around 1Mb in size.

I'm stuck between the Axim 400MHz, the Palm Tungsten T or the Ipaq 3970.

I dont need Bluetooth and dont think I will in the future. The Axim is the same price as the Palm, but I dont mind spending a little more to get the best. I imagine you guys will favour the Axim as this is an Axim site but constructive critism would be welcome.

I am tending to lean towards Dell. In the UK is Dell the only place I can buy from, I really would like to see before buying.

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Old 05-04-03, 03:50 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I think that dabs.com may do the axim but dell is the cheapest.
Also iam ordering my axim over dell and at the moment i think they are giving free shipping.

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Not sure that this is the right website for comparing pda's as most people axim fans here ;).
although iam sure you will be pleased with your axim!
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Old 05-04-03, 05:58 AM   #3 (permalink)
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I thought there is NO excel on PPC 2002!!
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I thought there is NO excel on PPC 2002!!
Yes, there is. It's part of the OS that Dells ships (I assume it's part of Pocket PC 2002). Doesn't do graphs but most of the other features are there.
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Old 05-04-03, 01:03 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Both the Axim and Ipaq have Microsoft Pocket Excel which is part of the OS. I use Pocket Excel to great advantage, but compared to the PC / Office product, a lot of features are missing. Graphics is the big one, but plently of other features are missing, including OLE links, filters, cell merge, advanced formatting ... I basically use it just for data/number viewing. Think of Visicalc or 123 in an Excel-compatible file format.

If you're using 1 MByte files, you might want to find somebody with a PPC and see what happens when you load one of those files on the PPC.

The same advice goes for the Palm.
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Old 05-04-03, 02:37 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I thought there is NO excel on PPC 2002!!
There's no MS Access in 2002 like there was in 2000.
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Old 05-04-03, 04:10 PM   #7 (permalink)
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http://www.byedesign.freeserve.co.uk/ -- this is an application called SpreadCE, it is better than the default excel app bundled into PPC OS.

http://www.softmaker.com -- these guys are working on a spread sheet app that will have no lost features in conversion, it isn't out yet, but their Text Maker app is probably the best app on any palmtop system, of any I've seen, it is a Word Processor with no file conversion, better than Word XP IMHO.

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Palm I believe has a better bundled app, but PPC has better 3rd party IMO, and that Spread CE is free.
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Old 05-04-03, 07:40 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Thanks for the info.
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Old 05-04-03, 09:18 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Sylvia,

I have to say that I'm very underwhelmed with Pocket Excel. It's almost incomprehensible that the several available Palm apps meant to handle Excel spreadsheets have FAR more of Excel's features than PExcel made by MS. The lack of accepting even small things like page links is unexcusable.

If Excel compatability is very important to you then look into a couple Palm apps like TinySheet or Documents-to-Go. Like was mentioned by commoved, you might want to check how a T/T handles 1 MB Excel files.

Double-Trinity...thanx for the links. I'll have to watch for Softmaker's version.

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Having gone from a Palm OS to an Axim, I would recommend the Axim hands down. The Palm devices are great for simple organizing tasks and playing some free games, but the $400 Tungsten is way too expensive for that level of functionality. The Pocket PC platform, while the free software library is nowhere near as large, is far more flexible in terms of what it will do.
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verry well put chaos.:D
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Thanks everyone for their input so far.

I feel perhaps this is now moving away from the topic of the Axim slightly for which I apologise.

I've been out and with the limited availability of actual models in my area I have seen the Compaq 1910 and the Tungsten T.
The Compaq feels good, nice and slim, good screen and runs 2002. The TT is a more bulky and runs Palm 5.

I wonder if anyone could comment on which the Axim is more like in size and feel please?

As I originally stated, my main concern is the use of Excel. Commoved and Chrissss commented on the lack of features with Pocket Excel. This may or may not be a problem with fairly standard sheets I work with but I agree, a more comprehensive package must be better. I would have thought the Pocket would have been more like the original.

TT comes with Docs to go and it seems to handle my sheets fine - how does that compare with Tinysheet that was recommended?

These comments would have me reaching for the TT, then Professor Chaos comes back and says that 2002 is more flexible. At the end of the day however, all I want to do is organise tasks and run spreadsheets. It all very confusing when you have zilch experience.

The one shop I went to said that whatever I bought I would not be able to return, the other only had the TT and said I could have a 14 day approval period - I have had it for the last 6 hours. I'll try it out as see how I get on. I am very disappointed I could not try the Axim as it sounds superb. If the TT is not for me the Axim is next. Both are the same cost.


I really appreciate all your comments - thank you.
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TinySheet and Docs-to-Go are virtually the same in their Excel handling capabilities. Tinysheet is less $$ as it is available strictly as an Excel emulator, whereas Docs-to-Go has MSWord, Excel, PowerPoint, and Email capabilites. If you were to go with the T/T you'd already have the DTG package.

As far as PPC2002 vs. PalmOS5.0...PPC is FAR morre powerful. The Axim has much more memory and can do much more, especially in the Multimedia arena.

The Axim is larger than the 1910 or the T/T. It's height is about that of an open Tungsten/T, but about 2x as thick. This allows the use of a CompactFlash (CF) memory card as well as a Secure Digital (SD) card, where the T/T only allows for an SD. This is a great feature as their are many peripheral devices that can plug into the CF slot, like digital camera's, wireless modules (cellular), radio, TV tuners, and on and on.

I've used PalmOS products before and was quite happy with them. I would say PalmOS is easier to learn, and was more configurable...before OS5.0. Palm has WAYYY more apps available but many will not run on the new OS5.0. That swayed my decision when I looked at a new machine so decided I had to give PocketPC a try and I'm glad I did! The Axim is by far the best value in the PPC world right now.

The choice is yours.

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Old 05-05-03, 02:46 PM   #14 (permalink)
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go with the axim!

the 1910 doesent have half the ftures af the axim,it has only 16 mb of program memmory,the axim has 48 megs.

the 1910 has a 200mhz prossor
the axim has 400mhz prosser.

the 1910 is none expandable.

you cant put a wifi card in,only memory.

the axim has duel slots so you can have memory and wifi at the same time.


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Sylvia,
Not to be biased ot anything, (but I have to), The Axim is the best thing there is. If you plan to do standard spreadsheets, you can stil have headers and still sort, use AutoFilter, Highlight, freeze unfreeze columns & rows... pretty much any basic function.

The size is bulky in comparison to an iPaq 1910 but if you compare features and prices, you will not that the Dell Axim X5 will actually be a better investment, een if you went with the X5 Basic if you feel the X5 Advance is a bit too much for your taste.

It's too bad you couldn't try the Axim out. You'd probably find the Axim a bit interesting. :)
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