I hate Political Threads, and totally agree with the rules in paragraph #1, but I don't think there should be a 48 hour rule between posts, just all members should use good judgement when they post to a thread, and be respectful of others while posting, Some political Religious threads change daily and need to be created in a new post as the changes occurr, waiting 48 hours may make the thread obsolete by the time one is allowed to post about it...just my two cents...but I am a nobody anyway
Mostly, there are some good ideas here. I like the first part (personal attacks are just not a good thing, and those users should be yellow carded). Many people have differing ideas on politics, so even personal attacks on specific politicians are childish and do not display intellegent debate (let's talk the issues).
The 48 hour rule is just not going to work well. I think you could limit the number of political posts in a week, but I don't see the need. I agree with the others who think we should simply have a sub-category. If Aximsiters want to discuss and debate politics, why not?
Course, I'm from Canada, and although I sort of understand it, I still do not completely comprehend the idea of pretty much being born into a certain political party (don't worry though, we have our own share of political headaches up here).
By foreigner do you mean the band, or not Canadian.
This isn't a democracy its an example of management. This is what managers do, they attempt to maintain control. Otherwise they would be called Sitbackanwatchers.
I think it will be interesting to see what is considered a political thread? The initial post or what it evolves into? Doesn't sound like a tenable management position.
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Benots4, you hit on one of the questions that I had been thinking about last night. Who determines what is a political thread? And what if a thread becomes political. Say I post a question about my Axim (can you imagine...the horror). My question is answered and then someone tags onto my original thread, a question about the recent democratic primary and how Joe Lieberman lost. That creates a discussion about the primary. Does that now become the political thread for that 48 hours? Who determines that that is a political thread? And when??
Also, if there is going to be a 48 hour rule, there should be some kind of notice that a thread is going to be considered political. In other words, some kind of a message should be put out saying, "the following thread was posted at 10:00 am on whatever date....this is a political thread. No additional political thread may be started until such and such a date."
In the end, the mods will decide on what is best. I have no problem with the rules...some of the posts get a little heated and some non-plitical ones had a few cuss words. Anyhting to keep the site humming along is fine with me.
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I still think it more appropriate to delete a post than close a thread.
One drive by flaming post and an otherwise lively debate gets canned.
I'd understand if the whole degenerates into a flame war, but with the report button and active mods that can ticket/suspend offenders should be sufficient to deter the regulars.
It is also something to note that perhaps the WF is popular BECAUSE of those threads.. not in spite of them.
The lingering death of the axim line is pretty much written on the wall. Eventually, aximsite will probably/possibly be merged or eliminated in favor of mobilitysite with the future growth of those devices.
This is really scaring me, radimus and I agree.
Rather than restricting posts to every 48 hours, why don't you just not include new Water Fountain posts among the New Posts, that way, those that only want to read Axim related posts don't have to get sucked into the non-Axim posts by inflamatory headlines. At the same time, those that like to express themselves can always go to the Water Fountain forum.
1) The 48-hour rule has come in for some criticism. There are several other possibilities:
a) Completely ban all political threads.
b) Restrict them by a time value and a total value, i.e. 5 political posts per week. This doesn't seem to me to be any better than the 48-hour rule, and would probably be substantially worse.
c) Restrict by a total value and username, i.e. member X is allowed one political post per week. Perhaps this would be workable, if we had around 50 moderators whose full-time occupation was taking care of Aximsite. At present, however, we cannot expect the few who toil away to start keeping tabs on all members and their posts.
d) Restrict the political threads with a time value, i.e. such threads will close after a period of X days. This idea has some merit, I believe, and we'll think about this. The problem, remains, however, that it does not place a limiter on the amount of political threads, which we believe have reached levels that endanger the core reasons behind Aximsite.
e) A new sub-forum, that will only be visible to subscribers to that forum, and will not show up in "New Posts", etc. This is probably the most viable idea, but it requires some thought and not a little implementation - I'll be talking with Chris about this in the coming days.
Until you are notified otherwise, however, the 48-hour rule remains in place for now. It is extremely difficult to satisfy everyone in these situations, and you can see the differing reactions the rules have had already. The 48-hour rule is, I believe, the best solution that we can implement in the short-term. Whilst we discuss more long-term alternatives, your help in making this rule work is really appreciated.
A couple of other quick things to note:
1) Moderators will decide whether a thread is political. Their decision is final.
2) A thread can become political; it's about the content rather than the title of the post. If a thread turns political (and there is really no reason why it should) whilst another thread is occupying the 48-hour golden period, the former thread will be closed.
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Thanks for those clarifications, Martin. For what it is worth, I think both options d and e in your message have considerable merit.
My only question was is there some way for the moderators to let us know that a thread has turned political or is being considered political, so that we all will know when the 48 hours starts and ends.
One suggestion might be when you post a political thread, to put the word political in the subject line. Similarly, if a moderator sees a thread that they determine to be political, then the mod. will add political to the subject line. That way, we all know that this is the political thread for the period and we can all see when the 48 hours expires.
Posted in a different thread a little while ago but I thought I'd move my discussion over here. I guess my whole question / point is this: In the past I have been flamed and I have simply ignored the post. Is it really such a large problem that we have to impose rules upon political discussions?
I do like the idea of the warnings and possible bannings for flaming posts but I do not really like the idea of limiting number of threads or posts. I read the political posts a lot and while they do not change my opinions very much they do show me different people's point of views and I enjoy them very much. It would be too bad if that was limited or taken away.
e) A new sub-forum, that will only be visible to subscribers to that forum, and will not show up in "New Posts", etc. This is probably the most viable idea, but it requires some thought and not a little implementation - I'll be talking with Chris about this in the coming days.
How about a new subforum. Why limit it?
We are all reasonable here, I see no real reason why you guys feel we need to be limited in what/where/how we post.
The 48 hour rule has done nothing but cause confusion here. A new subforum is the logical answer. Why make people subscribe to a forum? I don't have an X50, but it still shows up in my "new posts". You haven't heard me complain about that. Politics should be no different.
How about a new subforum. Why limit it?
We are all reasonable here, I see no real reason why you guys feel we need to be limited in what/where/how we post.
The 48 hour rule has done nothing but cause confusion here. A new subforum is the logical answer. Why make people subscribe to a forum? I don't have an X50, but it still shows up in my "new posts". You haven't heard me complain about that. Politics should be no different.
The internet is all about freedom!
why does aximsite need a political forum? I have free speech in the real world, but i don't spend my time in football grounds discussing Pocket PCs... Neither does anyone discuss recipies for Apple Pie in the middle of a church service.
I understand that if you say people can't do something then they will suddenly want to... but why is there a need... and if there is a need why not arrange to meet up on another forum somewhere else to do the political thing (otherwise know as taking it outside)
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