1) The site is not about "making money"; Chris does this in his spare-time, and he has a full-time job. The costs of running this site are fairly huge, and he needs a certain amount of revenue every month to even have a chance of breaking even.
2) Free speech. What I said in the "new rules" thread was, "We value freedom of expression, but only where it does not have a negative impact on Aximsite." This seems fairly clear. We'll let you talk about what you want, but only if we feel it's not of detriment to Aximsite as a whole. We deemed that the plethora of political and religious threads were a problem, so we decided to do something about it. For a private forum, we are very liberal in what people can say (most tech sites don't even have a water fountain). It's not contradictory; one can value the liberty of a single individual, but it can be overriden in the public interest where it is deemed that individual is a detriment to society.
It is, however, wrong to talk about "free speech." In the legal, consitutional sense, it simply doesn't apply here. Solara's post, above, has a fairly good analogy.
Hopefully this is the end of the matter, and people can happily go and discuss things in the new forum.
Very good reply. If people aren't happy I really don't know why they just don't leave or start their own site.
Some of the political and religious posts are interesting and I have even made a comment myself from time to time but I see no sense in them being such a big part of a "technical" forum.
People will only expouse their own views, morals, political/religious ideologies or beliefs and they will always be different to someone elses.
I applaud those who feel strongly about various issues but no amount of jumping up and down will change others opinions.
I really don't understand why this became the huge issue that it did. By definition, anything that does not deal with the Axim or related gadgets is outside the scope of what this forum was intended to be. Second, As the "owners" of the site, the Admins and Mods have a definitive right to determine what content can and cannot be discussed here (particularly when it is outside the scope of the site) and what the rules are for discussing that content. Additionally, they have a definitive right to enforce the rules which they establish.
I think some folks here need to understand the difference between a right and a privilege. Everyone has a right to their own beliefs and opinions. No one has a right to post those opinions on this site. It is only because the Admins and Mods allow you to do so that you have the PRIVILEGE of posting anything on this site. If they choose to restrict that privilege, that is their RIGHT.
However, my take is that a community is not a blog. Formost, this means that Axim user community members help other Axim user community members in a positive way. And because we hang out here alot, (and we are more than just axim users) we share with each other our thoughts and concerns about matters that do not always applicable to Axims--hence the waterfountain as an outgrowth of community.
When something is not positive (as defined by the administrative staff), then they have an obligation to step in. Certainly this includes profanity. However, it may also include other things from time to time that divide the community, or reflect poorly on the community or hurt the community as a whole. In general I wouldn't be here if I thought the administration wasn't doing a good job.
Moreover, if I think differently on any singular matter, I can tell the administrators so--but they are still the ones in charge and it is still their responsibility and still their decision, not mine.
For instance, if I had my choice, I would put the waterfountain in its own 2 row 'recent thread' slot, and the waterfountain would never impinge on the regular 'recent thread' posts on the main page. I would do this (making more work for the administrators-heh) because they ARE right--the waterfountain does get out of control in volume of posts. I might also branch out with a 'political waterfountain just like other categories branch out.
Truthfully, I don't like the idea of limiting new threads, I'd prefer to see them redirected. However, I am not in charge.
And I certainly would not like to see this site become an anticommunity where we come together--but not to our credit nor for our good. There are other 'communities' out there that are just plain mean and disrespectful to one another. For that cause the administration must exercise the right to delete a thread, to maintain community, whether or not I agree with a particular thread deletion decision.
And when the day comes when whole threads on Aximsite are dedicated to being mean and disrespecful to newbies, or lurkers, or any nationality, color, creed, politics etc. , then I for one will move on. I've seen anti-communities like that and I don't want to be a part of them.
In the main, this isn't one of those kinds of sites. We at Aximsite are not perfect. Our administrators at Aximsite aren't perfect. But, well, we as a community, do a pretty good job, I think.
Just to be clear, we're no longer limiting the amount of threads; all rules stated in the first post have been superceded in the wake of the creation of the new Political and Religious Forum - see here for more details.
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The problem is: if I say something that could be against what mods think I'll be censored! This not freedom...and I don't think is smart who don't let people say what they think in his house. Sorry for my English.
The problem is: if I say something that could be against what mods think I'll be censored! This not freedom...and I don't think is smart who don't let people say what they think in his house. Sorry for my English.
If you don't follow the rules and guidelines you'll be censored.
Why is that a problem?
For example:
Make a post with swearing and you'll be censored.
Make a post with inappropriate content and you'll be censored.
Post content in the wrong forum and you'll be censored or the content moved.
If you make a political statement that is not inline with the political alignment of a moderator you will not be censored, as long as you make the statement in the right place.
It's a really simple system and works well to ensure that we keep the board clean and discussion in the right places.
Please try to follow along.
Thanks
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Umbyboy, I don't think breaking the rules is 'smart'. At least go an read the rules before you complain that you moan about them. Go and read post 36 again
If you want to talk politics, then do it in the politics forum!
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"If you make a political statement that is not inline with the political alignment of a moderator you will not be censored, as long as you make the statement in the right place..."!
I don't think it worked like that in my case, cause I said something not inline with the political alignment of a moderetor and I was censored and I'm sure it wasn't in wrong place. Anyway I don't wanna complain anymore! Tnx
"If you make a political statement that is not inline with the political alignment of a moderator you will not be censored, as long as you make the statement in the right place..."!
I don't think it worked like that in my case, cause I said something not inline with the political alignment of a moderetor and I was censored and I'm sure it wasn't in wrong place. Anyway I don't wanna complain anymore! Tnx
After you've explained to me my political alignment (since you know what it is, because you say that yours is different), go and read the thread where you made the statement and look at the post that says:
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Hey guys - not the place for the discussions of the "why" and "why not" of 9/11. Take it to the P&R forum.
thanks.
I quite clearly requested that this particular line of discussion not take place in that thread. It's right there in black and white. THAT's why your post was removed.
As I mentioned, you CAN discuss it in the P&R forum. In fact I'd welcome it.
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Ok tnx! But let say it doesn't make sense a thread about 9/11 that is not the place for the discussions of the "why" and "why not" of 9/11. Your house you choose. I didn't read that otherwise I wouldn't have posted there, sorry.
P.s. from the thread:"If you forgot why we are in the middle east, this 5yr anniversary was ur reminder.
Lets go kick some terrorist..."
That should be in the political threads as well but you left it there.
Yeah that one was a fine line ("let's kick some terrorist..."). There was another one about hating people from the Middle East that HAD to go. The one about getting rid of the terrorists was "neutral" enough to stay IMHO.
Anyway - feel free to go and make the thread in the Politics and Religion forum if you like :)
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