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Jwilker · 08-25-03, 10:59 PM

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Originally posted by MyUncle
Can you prove that by reversing the process? Try taking all of the Chemicals matter and energy, apply an ORDINARY reation to them and create a life.

There is still a missing element....that Spark, Soul or mystical energy that is in itself LIFE.

To that end can you prove that I'm or the law is wrong? Can you prove that there will be a creator waiting for you?

I do believe that the spark you speak of is recreatable. The science isn't there yet, but life is energy so it's only a matter of time until we master it. Everything we are is able to be boiled down into quantifiable chunks, we just can't understand all the chunks yet.

MyUncle · 08-25-03, 11:18 PM

First, please establish as fact your assumption that Life is "energy".

So IF life is energy it is only a matter of time...etc.

IF Pigs could fly! If turds were made of Gold. IF

It is my understanding that it is KNOWN that living beings CREATE energy. It is NOT KNOWN what gives this form of matter the ability to reason and to have a conscience, let alone the ability to CREATE energy.

All of the Chemicals need for human life are contained within the average refrigerator. I have yet to hear that anyone has ever opened the door to find a life form, ANY life form that was not put in there, walk out of it.

Jwilker · 08-25-03, 11:26 PM

I can't (myself at least) establish that life IS energy any more than you can establish that life ISN'T energy

Where is it known that living beings create energy? I can't, not that I know of anyhow.

Just because something isn't known now, doesn't preclude it from ever being known.

before I was like 8 or 10 or whatever, I didn't know where babies came from, but that doesn't mean when I was told I refused to believe it or that it made it any less a fact.

All of the chemicals needed for human life existed on earth long before humans did, life takes time. Come back and visit your fridge in say... 5-6k years and see how things are going.

If I'm not mistaken mold is a spore, hence a type of lifeform. I never put it in the fridge yet some how it does grow and prosper on my chees and bread.

MY FRIDGE IS GOD!!

MyUncle · 08-25-03, 11:28 PM

What is cheese if it is not mold?

Jwilker · 08-25-03, 11:33 PM

Radish?

Jwilker · 08-25-03, 11:42 PM

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Adenosine Diphosphate consists of one adenosine molecule and 2 inorganic phosphate molecules. The bonds that connect the phosphate molecules have a high potential energy state, and therefore is ideal to be used in biological processes

If I'm not mistaken that process isn't creating energy from thin air. It's converting potential energy (which is a state of energy IIRC) into more useful states, but never actually creating any new energy, just changing the states of said energy.

When ADP becomes ATP doesn't it go back to being ADP when one of the bonds is broken, allowing it to repeat the process?

MyUncle · 08-26-03, 12:12 AM

This has some interesting ties to it.

http://dowsers.com/page5.html

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Just because something isn't known now, doesn't preclude it from ever being known.

MyUncle · 08-26-03, 12:14 AM

ROFL

I love that Star!

Jwilker · 08-26-03, 12:37 AM

Just after that pic was taken I'm sure there was some new matter on the sidewalk if that little fella looked up at all.

Jwilker · 08-26-03, 12:43 AM

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Originally posted by MyUncle
This has some interesting ties to it.

http://dowsers.com/page5.html

I couldn't even get past the page before the tree page.

Though the trippy mystical techno track really had me shaking my groove thing

It's a good thing that all this great info and such is available for a mere 12 bones... a steal at twice the price

Jwilker · 08-26-03, 12:48 AM

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Originally posted by star50fiveoh

Energy can be created by converting matter from one form or substance to another. ATP releases a bond and is transformed into ADP, and in the process creates energy that our bodies use.

Good point.

Howard2k · 08-26-03, 04:48 AM

Here is an alternative link:

http://www.talkorigins.org

Crazyfish · 08-26-03, 06:13 AM

Unless you consider matter to be another state of energy, equivalent to light, heat or whatever ?

There is a direct relationship between the amount of mass lost and the amount of energy released in the conversion...the two are sort of interchangable.

jeepfaned · 08-26-03, 07:39 AM

i agree with "myuncle" on his(or her) thoughts on page 1...well said..and thats how i feel. we will all be judged by God when our time on earth is done,the way we live our life on earth will determain if we go to heaven or hell
i know for me..im in heaven

papajackow · 08-26-03, 08:29 AM

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Originally posted by jeepfaned
i agree with "myuncle" on his(or her) thoughts on page 1...well said..and thats how i feel. we will all be judged by God when our time on earth is done,the way we live our life on earth will determain if we go to heaven or hell
i know for me..im in heaven

This is mere curiosity, but how do you KNOW? I'm sure everyone would like to say they're going to heaven, but apparently not everyone is. So, what makes you so sure?