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Jwilker · 08-26-03, 09:58 PM

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Originally posted by Howard2k
What is YHVH? You Hate Van Halen?

Doesn't everybody? ;)

Howard2k · 08-26-03, 10:00 PM

lol. SINNER!

(joke :) )

Howard2k · 08-26-03, 10:25 PM

So it's fair to say that there are only a limited number of people on the thread who listen to Marilyn Manson then? :)

Jwilker · 08-26-03, 10:32 PM

He's a hoot. creepy for the sake of ticket sales. Can't beat it.

I actually like a few songs of his... a very very few. Three actually.

zonestar · 08-26-03, 10:58 PM

It is amazing what topics one can find on aximsite. This is one philosophical debate I would not have expected. My view on this debate are my view, so I will try to keep an open mind provided that no harm comes an individual.

Jwilker · 08-26-03, 11:06 PM

we make no guarantees. Star has been know to go all out ninja style head chopping off crazy when he get's riled up. :)

Electraglider · 08-26-03, 11:20 PM

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Originally posted by FrstdOne
I see it as one of three ways. Either we keep coming back until we get it right. We rejoin with the energy of the universe, or we rot in a box. Man I hope it's not the third one.

It is my considered opinion that the third item is in fact the case and can be proven by opening up any given "box".
But really, we aren't talking about our corporeal selves here. We are talking about that which makes us self aware. As for that part of us, I'm for item number two on the list. But I don't believe we retain any of the essence which makes us self aware. That is lost. But the energy or life force, if you will, that animates this corporeal life form is freed and dispersed throughout the universe like an explosion that expands in all directions and is eventually dispersed with distance into the air.

There, that ought to settle that issue. What's next?

jeepfaned · 08-26-03, 11:26 PM

zonestar...i think u in the wrong "zone" if u want no harm...heck,they have been beating me down all day here..just look back! just kiddin of course! i can hang,no one is here to slam the others views or thoughts,,most of of it is just questions from 1 side to the other,i dont mind it and thanks to the mods..they have let it go cuz we are being good boys and girls!!

hey star..when u "gadiate" to being able to ooze poison like the poison dart frogs,let me know...i might join!! but you would have to lose the tail. i just think the little guys are so darn cute! but pack a mean PUNCH!!

Xyress · 08-26-03, 11:31 PM

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Originally posted by jeepfaned
we screwed it up by adam and eve eating the forbidden fruit,,,that messed it all up

Glad you brought that up. There's a thought-provoking book (while not an extremely well-written one) called Ishmael that you might have heard of. The most interesting part to me in that book was the explanation for why eating from the tree of knowledge was a bad thing ... think about it for a second.

Why is gaining knowledge a bad thing?

The explanation given in the book is that the creation story was actually a myth of a primitive society that lived simply and was happy living off of the land - hunter gatherer types. Then came along a group of people around the Tigris and Euphrates who developed agriculture (knowledge) ... with this new-found knowledge, they stripped the land and started reproducing at an advanced rate (because there was plenty of food to go around).

The agriculturalists were a threat to the hunter-gatherer's way of life - especially when they started murdering them. The thing is that when the agriculturalists killed the primitive society, they adopted some of their mythology as their own (the creation story and the exile from Eden) ... which eventually became incorporated into the Old Testament and now makes no sense whatsoever in the context of the Bible.

Well, food for thought anyway ... I often asked religious folks why knowledge was the "original sin" and never found an acceptable answer until I read that book ...

08-26-03, 11:42 PM

Just tying to catch up with this thread...so please bare with me.

On New Test. and Old Test. some clarification is required.

Old Test. is The Hebrew/Jewish Bible. It is writen to the Jews
The New Test. is written to Christians. One might call them "complete Jews". In Fact Mesianic Jews are Jews that believe Jesus Christ is the Messiah but worship in hebrew/Jewish Tradition.

Before Jesus lived and died we were bound by the Laws of the Old Testament. What God established for us by these Laws was that Man (us) could not make it into heaven by himself. It is not possible for us to live up to those expectations. (i.e. the TEN Comandments) The Old Test. talks about a coming Messiah who will save the Hebrew Nation. Jewish people are still looking for their Messiah as a more militant type of leader today.

The New Testament Provides us with the message of Christ, which is that God has known we could not live up to the expectations of the Old testament and Provided Jesus for us as a "Kinsman redeamer". Jesus paid the price for our shortcomings in full. He died, went to hell, and was capable of raising himself up from the dead and escaping from hell and has risen to Gods Presence, where he is today.

The only point that I'm trying to make here is that the Old Test. isn't really relevant to Christians for anything more than historical perspective, for reference, and to verify prophecies made in the Old Test.

For the most part Jesus gave us New Rules (commandment) which are 1)to love God with All of our heart and mind, 2)to treat others the way we would have them treat us and 3)to do the right thing. (which we will be made aware of by the holy spirit that is with us as a guide in Jesus' absence)

In the Hebrew bible there is no New Test. Because they do not believe the Jesus was the Messiah. So it is not really relevent to them.

I just hope this explains why you persieve Christians to pick and choose one over the other. It's not a matter of preference but of relevence.

Again, This is what I believe. I do not want to try and Establish this as a fact for you. God is capable to do that for you himself if he chooses to. I only intend to clarify what I believe for you, not persuade you. I firmly believe you all are capable to choose for yourself, and as I understand it, so does God.

08-26-03, 11:59 PM

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I often asked religious folks why knowledge was the "original sin" and never found an acceptable answer until I read that book ...

The answer that I recieved is that Knowledge is the root of Pride which God can not tolerate. How can we, the created, be so proud of ourselves. That is why angels were banished from Gods Presence.

On another Thread someone asked why God didn't just create people/robots to worship him. My understanding is that he did, they were called angels and some of them became Proud and resentful of God and they decided they could become his equal.

As I understand it, He created man and placed us here so that eventually he would have the company of beings that CHOSE to be there worshiping him. Also, again as I understand it, Part of the fight of Good vs Evil is the Fight between God the Creator and some of his creations who are trying to prove they are his equal ( the banished angels). I do not believe God is worried about it, but also does not want to be overbearing. Kind of like why you don't hit a small child who kicks you in the shins.

There is a verse, can't find it right now, that states that "Man's Wisdom is foolishness unto God". Sometimes, when people think they know it all, the first impression they leave is that they are Proud and are somehow better than others. have you ever seen that?

**hnelson59** · 08-27-03, 12:04 AM

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Originally posted by MyUncle
There is a verse, can't find it right now, that states that "Man's Wisdom is foolishness unto God". Sometimes, when people think they know it all, the first impression they leave is that they are Proud and are somehow better than others. have you ever seen that?

1 Corinthians 1:25
For the foolishness of God is wiser than man's wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than man's strength.

08-27-03, 12:09 AM

Thank you...a different translation though. I usually read a living bible..I like the way it reads/flows better for daily inspiration reading.

zonestar · 08-27-03, 12:14 AM

Jeepfaned, appreciate your thoughts. When I say harm, I am talking about people using physical measures to spread their faith. After 20 years of putting people in jail, I am very open minded and also retired. I know the users on this board are expressing their thoughts and that is what I take it for.

jeepfaned · 08-27-03, 12:43 AM

ok zone..glad to hear you did your part in keeping the sicko people locked up,,where they should be...and yes,that goes for the priests we talked about earlier who think or thought they had the right to touch kids in the church and be able to get away with it.--that wasnt directed to you zone..just adding it from what was said earlier about them..the sick freaks!!
but i was just razzin you anyway,i know its all just alot of ? and answer here..i like to hear what others think.
btw...welcome aboard!!