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Old 10-13-05, 12:24 PM   #16 (permalink)
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A simple statement, that speaks loud, and mostly truth.
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Old 10-13-05, 12:32 PM   #17 (permalink)
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"Buy a gallon of gasoline and finance a terrorist."

haha, made me laugh
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Old 10-13-05, 12:38 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Isn't it ironic. It was Saudi Money that funded the 9-11 attacks. And we were the one's that supported it.
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Old 10-13-05, 12:39 PM   #19 (permalink)
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There is more truth to that then most think. You must remember that Families, and not countries profit from raw Crude Oil. Therefore most citizens of those countries in no way benifit. There are many more examples, however I don't have the time to dedicate to research to back up everything today.
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Our over dependence on forien oil is due to Environmentalists. 30 years and we haven't upgraded/built/opened/drilled/explored/expanded/..... anything that would help us get off of forein oil. i.e. drilling sites(colorado area has more oil than the whole middle east), florida(although jeb did the thing with the thing to make it happen), alaska,... We haven't built/expand any refineries in 30 years(while demand for gas has dramatically increased.)

The environmentalists have our hands tied, and we can't do anything to get off of foreign oil. The true blame is on them(Yes the middle east is milking the cow because we have created an environment to allow it)


If you want cheaper gas, less of a problem in the middle east, richer US, than get pissed at the envirnomentalists(you can't spell envirnomentalists without mental haha)"

What he said!!!
We have more oil reserves than the middle east but we can't touch them because we might disrupt the environment, have you seen the effects of environmental policies in New orleans? Maybe if levies were repaired and upgraded despite the yelling of environmental groups we wouldn't be in the mess they are right now. I know there's many other factors so keep on topic please :)
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Old 10-13-05, 02:22 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Everything everyone has said is so true. Drill the US like swiss cheese...anything to bring down the price of gas and stop supporting these foreign economies.

Think of how much money a company can make by building more refineries here in the states and building more drilling sites, plus we keep that money in the states and ease the financial burdon on Americans. If they lower the price of gas, we will use more and they will make more money even at a lower price.

This is getting ridiculous now. gas prices jump more than stocks nowadays. There's a new price everyday.

I like how prices jump based on "speculation" not fact. Kinda baseless, yet we are being held hostage because of our dependancy.
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Old 10-13-05, 03:19 PM   #22 (permalink)
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you said it qbZonk!
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Old 10-13-05, 05:24 PM   #23 (permalink)
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have you guys given global warming any thought?

kinda scary for the west coast to be buried under water don'tcha think? but wait.....20 bucks every other week is more important...dont' even bring up that "funds terrorists" bs again...
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Old 10-13-05, 05:32 PM   #24 (permalink)
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And here we have the fine balance of trying to keep everyone happy. Here is a thought...

Wind power is almost economical for the average consumer to install at their residence. Yet how many rich people are using it? How many that have the means are exercising their right to a cleaner enviroment? I care about the enviroment and do my best, but before you chew our people who don't have the means at this point in their life to be a larger contributor, I suggest you chew out the rich who can afford the boats, jets, cars, that use more resources then us average people. This does not refer to everybody that has means, but let's be realistic people. If you want to see how I contribute, read my first post on this topic.

Terrorist have a better chance of killing me at the moment then mother nature, however I still keep mother nature close by and do what I can.
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We are also at the mercy of our own auto manufacturers. They could have/should have developed more cost efficient cars years ago, but chose not to.
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You have a valid point, but for the most part, isn't what we buy our choice? If foreign vehicals suit the needs of the consumer then supply and demand will dictate that eventually American auto makers will go Bankrupt.

I feel the US Auto makers are not doing enough to service the people and the enviroment, and the only thing we can do is let them know. Wether it is letting them know in words, or lack of purchases, either way the voice of many will win in the long run.
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Yeah, stupid environmentalists. What, do they expect us to leave any natural resources for our kids? Ungrateful brats!
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Originally Posted by JMJSelect
actually isn't detroit producing the most fuel efficient SUV(GAS ONLY NO hybrid or electric bla bla bla)

I believe it's GM, better than honda, toyota,....
Is the new Chrysler Hemi more fuel efficent than the Hemi produced in the 70's ?, Yes! But it still is not a fuel efficent engine. As far as the American hybrids, while Detroit is working on it's first generation of gas/electric for the general public to buy, Japan is on its third generation.

The point is we knew this would happen (high fuel prices) our warning came in the 70's with the oil embargo, and yet the BIG 3 for whatever reason chose not to do anything about it. Now it seems that they are scrambling to come up with a solution. This reminds me of when Toyota & Datsun (Nissan) started to kick our butts with small cars (people were getting tired of the same body design and noisy air-cooled engine from VW) So what did the Big 3 do? They scrambled and gave us the cough, cough Ford Pinto, the Chevy Vega, American Motors made the Gremlin and Chrysler, I really don't remember what crappy car they came up with at the time, to be honest I think they were just trying to stay alive with the help of the U.S. Government because they were about to go belly up.
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Originally Posted by JMJSelect
Our over dependence on forien oil is due to Environmentalists. 30 years and we haven't upgraded/built/opened/drilled/explored/expanded/
Allow me to introduce you to the idea of economics. Oil is a finite resource. You can't magically create more by drilling more holes in the ground. Either it's there or it's not. Now here's the thing: the price of oil isn't a real product of economics. It's created by the companies (and countries) that own the oil, in order to make bigger profits. Drilling up more oil wouldn't help if it's the same crowd of crooks taking advantage of it.

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i.e. drilling sites(colorado area has more oil than the whole middle east),
Completely and totally false. Whoever told you that doesn't have a clue in hell what they're talking about. The entire oil reserves of the U.S. totals up as about a quarter of what the Saudis alone have. Not to mention the fact that U.S. oil is of a much lower grade than oil from the Middle East, which makes it far more difficult and expensive to refine.

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florida(although jeb did the thing with the thing to make it happen)
Actually, no, up until recently, Jeb fought tooth and nail to avoid any kind of drilling off the coast of Florida. Now that he's term-limited and can't run for Governor again, though, he's all for it.

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We haven't built/expand any refineries in 30 years(while demand for gas has dramatically increased.)
This is true, but as I recall, it's not the environmentalists that own the oil companies, and the oil companies are the ones who deal in refineries. In fact, they've been deliberately shutting down refineries for years in order to reduce excess supply, which means higher prices. The problem isn't a lack of oil, its the fact that the price gets inflated at every step along the way. Do you know what it actually costs to pull a barrel of crude oil out of the fields of Saudi Arabia? Just one dollar. By the time that it makes it to a refinery here in the States, it's priced at $65. THAT is the problem.

If you really want cheaper gas and oil, call your Senators to tell them that you support the bill introduced by ND Senator Byron Dorgan to impose a windfall profits tax on oil companies. The profits of U.S. oil companies have soared into the hundreds of billions of dollars a year due to the run up in oil prices which they helped create. Dorgan's bill would take 50% of the profit from any oil sold over $40 per barrel, an extremely reasonable deal for the oil companies, and send it back to the individual taxpayers that are currently getting gouged at the pump.

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Originally Posted by AdamaDBrown
Allow me to introduce you to the idea of economics. Oil is a finite resource. You can't magically create more by drilling more holes in the ground. Either it's there or it's not. Now here's the thing: the price of oil isn't a real product of economics.
you can't increase supply(which will drive prices down) by not drilling holes. It's there and we're not drilling, no one said anything about magically creating any. When a country runs on oil it is one of the main factors of it's economy.



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Completely and totally false. Whoever told you that doesn't have a clue in hell what they're talking about. The entire oil reserves of the U.S. totals up as about a quarter of what the Saudis alone have. Not to mention the fact that U.S. oil is of a much lower grade than oil from the Middle East, which makes it far more difficult and expensive to refine.
http://www.rand.org/ Tell rand research that they don't have a clue in hell what they're talking about. this site is "At least" 3 times larger than the middle east's oil supply.



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Actually, no, up until recently, Jeb fought tooth and nail to avoid any kind of drilling off the coast of Florida. Now that he's term-limited and can't run for Governor again, though, he's all for it.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/loc...home-headlines
and it's just coincidence that the hurricanes and everything else that drove prices up just happened to happen when his term is just about up?


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This is true, but as I recall, it's not the environmentalists that own the oil companies, and the oil companies are the ones who deal in refineries. In fact, they've been deliberately shutting down refineries for years in order to reduce excess supply, which means higher prices. The problem isn't a lack of oil, its the fact that the price gets inflated at every step along the way. Do you know what it actually costs to pull a barrel of crude oil out of the fields of Saudi Arabia? Just one dollar. By the time that it makes it to a refinery here in the States, it's priced at $65. THAT is the problem.

If you really want cheaper gas and oil, call your Senators to tell them that you support the bill introduced by ND Senator Byron Dorgan to impose a windfall profits tax on oil companies. The profits of U.S. oil companies have soared into the hundreds of billions of dollars a year due to the run up in oil prices which they helped create. Dorgan's bill would take 50% of the profit from any oil sold over $40 per barrel, an extremely reasonable deal for the oil companies, and send it back to the individual taxpayers that are currently getting gouged at the pump.

I have no idea where you get your info from but you seriously need to get educated.
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