socpsy

Originally Posted by OklahomaMama

I suppose I should clarify my "equality" rant... for too long women were (and in some places still are) treated as inferior to men. I completely realize that there are differences between the sexes and vive la difference! that's what makes the whole yin/yang thing work, right? ;)

No clarification needed for me. I understand where you're coming from and essentially agree with your original "rant"!! :approve: :)

ID10T

stereotyping/profiling through product placement! Nuture this behavior by product popularity and media hype it wasn't to long ago that a woman mechanic was a very rare occurance and it took very brave women to break that stereotype. Many MANufacturers are still behind the times.

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ironhelix

have you seen the new lines of toys from Hasbro for little grrls

theyve got one , a board game, that's called shoppping mall or something.

anyways the grrls go to the atm and get cash so they can shop

at the mall. kinda like a dress rehearsal for when they ll be adults.

funny this stereotyping stuff

i aint buying from hasbro anymore...

arshield

This is certainly not a "girl" problem. This article was in the New York Times Magazine this past weekend.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/30/ma...0feminism.html

Titled, "What's a Girl to Do". Its basic assertion is that we are in a retro phase of feminism where women are trying to be more feminine, more out of the workforce with kids, etc.

frankenbike

Originally Posted by JMJSelect

as to the atl shootings. what if a man cop was guarding the perp? as reports said she didn't even put up a fight(it was that bad) and do you remember "world's scariest police chases" the one where the guy easily knocked out the women cop?

Again, you're saying it would make a difference. Sometimes yes, sometimes no. My point is that those women weren't competent at their jobs. Or that lone cops in those situations are a bad idea every time. And the same result would have occured if similarly incompetent men were at those jobs. Which is this: they were caught by surprise. The only reason you know about these things, is that they were news. But this sort of stuff goes on all the time.

As well, the women in the Atlanta case was 52 years old. A 52 year old man taking on another man who is 33 and in peak physical condition would also have been no match. On top of it, a lone guard armed with a gun escorting a prisoner is a stupid policy. In LA County jails, officers escorting prisoners are unarmed for that very reason. That's why the prisoners are shackled and there are multiple guards escorting them. But if they try to make a break for it, the suspects don't have access to a firearm.

Lone cops don't get in fistfights with suspects. That's why you have 6 cops dogpiling on a guy and then beating the crap out of him. You see at least one of those things happen on videotape every year. One cop isn't gonna take on anyone in a fist fight.

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I bet that if you looked at stastistics it would show more escapes from women than men. more shootings than men. more injuries/deaths than men......

I bet that your statement means you have no such statistical knowledge, and are using the word "statistics" to back up uninformed opinion, without actually providing the statistics. An interesting argumentative technique.

Either the stats exist and you present them, or they don't exist. I couldn't find anything to shed light on this. But it's generally stupid police policy to make prisoner or suspect restraint a gladiatorial contest. A lot of criminals are in amazing physical shape, and cops eat a lot of donuts.

As for police shootings: every controversial use of firearms in Los Angeles involves male police officers. From the shooting of an unarmed deaf kid when I was young, to shooting a crazy lady in her own front yard who threatened officers with a screwdriver...I can't think of a single incident involving a female cop. The women cops I've met I wouldn't want to tangle with.

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Look if you're a female cop and a guy 2ce your weight over takes you your in serious trouble. now think if it was a male cop, would the bad guy have even tried?

I think he would have. If it was an old guy. I'm 6 feet tall, but I'm old and not in the best of shape. That guy would have taken me in a split second. The problem wasn't the individual cop. It was the position the individual cop was in. Very stupid policies there in the courthouse in Atlanta.

What you present is a case for cops to only be young, big and strong. Not just male. That would probably be a good policy if we were so stupid as a society as to make the police fight suspects and perps mano-a-mano all the time.

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and what about bouncers? are women really suited for the job? any women should be able to do that right.

Are all men really suited for that job? I'm not. I bet some of those women on the women's weight lifting circuit would be more than adequate for the job. And again, bouncers work best when they don't work alone.

As Ron White says in his routine, "I didn't know how many of them it would take. But I knew how many they were going to use."

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oh and I do agree with u on the Imcompotent male issue. There is alot of men out there who shouldn't be doing what they're doing. women too.

That is largely the problem. If you go back a few decades, incompetence at almost every occupation was solely the domain of men. Women are now sufficiently equal to be incompetent at almost everything that men are.

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Originally Posted by ungluud

I like the Spongebob episode where Spongebob is teaching Patrick how to open a jar of pickles. When Patrick finally gets it open, he wails "I broke it!" Oops! Am I off topic?

That one was a classic, ummm carry on with whatever you other guys were talking about.

Rishad

Originally Posted by psionandy

Even if you except that as 100% true... It's still no excuse for selling them 'cheap pink s***' (stuff) that promises to make them happy if they behave just like everyone else is supposed to.

OH YA! ..thats for sure.. no doubts there.

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JMJSelect

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i'm in a hurry so i'll make it quick.


someone or some study said that women make good cops because of better listening skills, then it went into this. (link is below) it also talks about the atl court room shootings(i'll discuss this later)

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These aren't unascertainable facts, like Pinch Sulzberger's SAT scores. The U.S. Department of Justice regularly performs comprehensive surveys of state and local law enforcement agencies, collected in volumes called "Law Enforcement Management and Administrative Statistics." The inestimable economist John Lott has looked at the actual data. (And I'll give you the citation! John R. Lott Jr., "Does a Helping Hand Put Others at Risk? Affirmative Action, Police Departments and Crime," Economic Inquiry, April 1, 2000.) It turns out that, far from "de-escalating force" through their superior listening skills, female law enforcement officers vastly are more likely to shoot civilians than their male counterparts. (Especially when perps won't reveal where they bought a particularly darling pair of shoes.) Unable to use intermediate force, like a bop on the nose, female officers quickly go to fatal force. According to Lott's analysis, each 1 percent increase in the number of white female officers in a police force increases the number of shootings of civilians by 2.7 percent. Adding males to a police force decreases the number of civilians accidentally shot by police. Adding black males decreases civilian shootings by police even more. By contrast, adding white female officers increases accidental shootings. (And for my Handgun Control Inc. readers: Private citizens are much less likely to accidentally shoot someone than are the police, presumably because they do not have to approach the suspect and make an arrest.) In addition to accidentally shooting people, female law enforcement officers are also more likely to be assaulted than male officers – as the whole country saw in Atlanta last week. Lott says: "Increasing the number of female officers by 1 percentage point appears to increase the number of assaults on police by 15 percent to 19 percent." In addition to the obvious explanations for why female cops are more likely to be assaulted and to accidentally shoot people – such as that our society encourages girls to play with dolls – there is also the fact that women are smaller and weaker than men. In a study of public-safety officers – not even the general population – female officers were found to have 32 percent to 56 percent less upper body strength and 18 percent to 45 percent less lower body strength than male officers – although their outfits were 43 percent more coordinated. (Here's the cite! Frank J. Landy, "Alternatives to Chronological Age in Determining Standards of Suitability for Public Safety Jobs," Technical Report, Vol. 1, Jan. 31, 1992.)

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=43343

I just quickly browsed it But i believe lott got these statistics from "Law Enforcement Management and Administrative Statistics" I couldn't check it out because i'm in a hurry,

atl shootings thing. The female cop didn't have a gun on her. reports first said that the guy shot here in the face, but what really happened was that the guy beat her up so bad that it looked like he shot her. her gun was in a gun lock room or something. No one was in the area where this happened and no one was watching security cams. that's why it was so easy for him to escape.

oh and i wouldn't want to mess with those female body builders, they look like 10x more freakier than male body builders.

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