and it isn't like they didn't know it was wrong. However, I am also a firm believer in justifiable homocide.
some person rapes and beats your 10 year old child... That should be a case of justifiable homocide. do not pass go, do not collect $200. However, that is vengeance talking and this requires Justice.
Scott Peterson, OJ Simpson, John Evander Couey, David Lee Onstott, Joseph Smith, etc... a .45 cal to the temple will take care of them. No need for a 30 year delay in execution, no need for a chance of parole to offend again, and even if they reform they STILL murdered someone. Why keep them them around?
I like the bullet in the head, the day after the trial.
You know, the argument against the death penalty hinges on:
1. Other countries aren't doing it
2. It's not proven to be a deterrent.
My responses are:
1. Who cares - "if your friends jumped of a bridge would you" - why does that statement only apply to kids? Once we grow up, we are supposed to do what everyone else is doing?
2. So what if it isn't a deterrent. Its about retribution. If someone shotgunned my wife in the back, I would want them plain and simple dead. It would bring me a small level of comfort to know that that type of justice was served. Maybe they should have a death penalty clause that let the family members of those murdered decide whether they want to approve / dissaprove of a jury's decision to death. Just an idea.
Unless you are going to overhaul the whole prison system and make it a self supporting system, ie, you don't work you don't eat, then I think that he got what the courts ordered. After that many years I think he's had enough time to make appeals. As for changing, what about the victim's. Everyone forgets the people he killed and worries about him, I SAY AGAIN, WHAT ABOUT THE VICTIMS SECOND CHANCE?
To anybody who uses the term "State-sponsored murder" to refer to the death penalty, please consider the fact that if a murderer is not rendered unable to repeat his crime, then the state has sponsored the murders he has committed.
Death penalty: Deterrent? Maybe. Punishment? Not really, since the recipient has no opportunity to learn from it. Consequence? Definitely.
The burning question is, Does society have the right to remove its dangerous elements, to excise the cancers? Instead of reviling the punishment itself, perhaps we should examine the conditions that contribute to the deficit in a person's character such that an innocent person's life is forfeit.
As for myself, my main issues with the death penalty are two: The cost required to finally implement it, and the error ratio of convictions in this country, a product of the competitive model of justice (something we inherited, but more on that rant later).
Oh, and if I had killed 4 people and gotten hauled off to prison to await execution, I would have written some children's books, also. Hell, I would have written Harry Frickin' Potter.
Actually Governor Swartzenagger surprised me, I kind of had him Stereotyped with the rest of those Bleeding hearts. He made a decision and stuck to it. Even though the Press has made it sound like an unpopular decision. Apparently, by what I've seen here in this thread it really wasn't. The families of the victims deserved the little comfort that his death brought.
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I do not find it comforting that anyone finds comfort in the death of another for any reason as that devalues all life. It might be interesting to hear the opinions of those supporting the death penalty on the subject of abortion.
Actually Governor Swartzenagger surprised me, I kind of had him Stereotyped with the rest of those Bleeding hearts. He made a decision and stuck to it. Even though the Press has made it sound like an unpopular decision. Apparently, by what I've seen here in this thread it really wasn't. The families of the victims deserved the little comfort that his death brought.
I disagree that the families got any real comfort. It doesn't change the facts of what happened. Their loved ones are gone. Killing the man who caused that does not change the loss, hence, how could anyone receive any real comfort from it.
The execution of a convicted murderer is not as much a punishment for the guilty as it is a deterrent for others. Knowing that a state has the death penalty for murder may just be enough to keep someone from committing this cold-blooded crime. I applaud the state of California and Gov Swartzenagger for enforcing the law and protecting their citizens and encourage other states and Governors to do the same.
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Tookie and other gang members that rob and kill people are being glorifed in rap music and "thug life" movies which is sending a very wrong and bad message to our communities. There is no telling how many people he robbed or killed that didnt get pinned on him. He would not cooperate with the cops to get his other gang banging buddies convicted of their crimes. I know nobody wants to be a squealer but we are talking about protecting cold blooded killers from justice. If he wanted the gang banging to really stop because he said its ruining or communities he could have helped get the ones doing it off the street and the problem would have been solved. But no the gang bangers are just as bad or worse than the cops who wont rat out their bad apples. I dont advocate killing but I think if you cross a certain line then you should be held accountable for your actions.
The execution of a convicted murderer is not as much a punishment for the guilty as it is a deterrent for others. Knowing that a state has the death penalty for murder may just be enough to keep someone from committing this cold-blooded crime. I applaud the state of California and Gov Swartzenagger for enforcing the law and protecting their citizens and encourage other states and Governors to do the same.
I doubt people who do not respect life, would respect any law. My feeling is people who think that they are bigger than life, are also bigger than any punishment.
I doubt people who do not respect life, would respect any law. My feeling is people who think that they are bigger than life, are also bigger than any punishment.
I do not find it comforting that anyone finds comfort in the death of another for any reason as that devalues all life. It might be interesting to hear the opinions of those supporting the death penalty on the subject of abortion.
The problem that most people have with the prison system is the recitivism from many 'convicts'
Everyone wants to know why someone gets out and offends again, especially violent offenders. "If he was put away instead of slapped on the wrist, this wouldn't have happened again."
the 'liberal' crowd is quick to say that prison doesn't reform, but are slow to come up with an alternative... perhaps some counselling for the poor convict will help his esteem issues and when he feels better, perhaps he will turn away from a life of crime.
Personally, I feel that all convicts that accrue 20 years or more in prison should be immediately commuted into death sentances... Sorry buddy, but you are spending your life behind bars, well that will just be a short life. Many little offenses that add up to 20 years or one or two big ones. Once the prisons start emptying, either through the front door or the back, people will think twice about enjoying the hospitality of the State.
(edit, make that 21 years. Someone gets a 20 year sentance, and one the way out he gets a note... if you get into any more trouble, it is straight to the chamber buddy... no more lifelines)
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