... Linux is about choice and the freedom to make that choice... it's not about petty OS pissing matches. :approve:
Yeah, that SHOULD be true - but you'd never know it by the number of Linux trolls that make strafing-runs on the Windows discussion forums. Every one of those forums I've ever read gets "spammed" with someone coming on there to say how "Windows Sucks" and "Linux will take over the world". It's amazing how "religious" some of these nuts can get over the choice of a piece of software. Sheesh.
I once played the O/S games - back in the 90's. I gave the OS/2 route a try for a year or so - finally realized that if I was going to make a living I would have to go where the market was and, whether you like it or not, the market chose Windows. There's no point in arguing about it, either - the evidence (and the numbers) speak for themselves.
I'm sure Linux is very cool - and I'm glad such a system exists; it needs to - that's what a free-enterprise market is all about. Nevertheless, when I walk into the neighborhood Best Buy, Staples, Office Depot or anywhere else I can find applications, software development tools and devices that I can use RIGHT NOW - and they all work with Windows, not Linux. I seldom have to tweak anything much - just plug it in and it works, period. Failures and incompatibilities have become the exception, not the rule.
Maybe Linux will somehow hit pay-dirt someday and then it will be the dominant O/S. If so, however, there's an awful lot of momentum it will have to overcome to do that!
In the meantime, if you've chosen Linux as your O/S - hey, that's great! Have fun with it. Get lots of work done with it. Just tell your buddies not to "piss" on those who don't go with it because it makes them look like a bunch of idiots.
ok well i rawwrote pocket linux to a floppy so after i get done with some school work i will get out the lappy and see if i can get it to boot from the floppy. the thing that worrys me is i dont see my network card on the list of supported cards.. but i will try any way..
I personally only use Gentoo but I took the opportunity to order Ubuntu discs for friends and classmates for free. It's great and I recommend it to everyone: https://shipit.ubuntu.com/ . BTW please, Linux is no operating system. It's a kernel that is often used in the operating system GNU which can be called GNU/Linux.
Xandros wasn't free. I pay 60$ for it. Cheap for a OS
Xandros is free if you don't want some of the functionality (IE Active Directory support)... Open Circulation Edition. Not a bad OS, ran stable, easy, easy installation. Still based off of Debian & APT.
Originally Posted by CodeBubba
Yeah, that SHOULD be true - but you'd never know it by the number of Linux trolls that make strafing-runs on the Windows discussion forums. Every one of those forums I've ever read gets "spammed" with someone coming on there to say how "Windows Sucks" and "Linux will take over the world". It's amazing how "religious" some of these nuts can get over the choice of a piece of software. Sheesh.
Agreed. I will never steer anyone away from Windows or Linux based OS... it all depends on what you need and how comfortable you are with computers. I personally like to sit down, get done what I need to get done and move the heck on... that's why I'm a Windows user. I have Ubuntu & Debian loaded on a couple of boxes (including a MAC), and I mess with them when I have time, but my primary OS is Windows.
Originally Posted by CodeBubba
In the meantime, if you've chosen Linux as your O/S - hey, that's great! Have fun with it. Get lots of work done with it. Just tell your buddies not to "piss" on those who don't go with it because it makes them look like a bunch of idiots.
Bingo! :approve:
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Yeah, that SHOULD be true - but you'd never know it by the number of Linux trolls that make strafing-runs on the Windows discussion forums. Every one of those forums I've ever read gets "spammed" with someone coming on there to say how "Windows Sucks" and "Linux will take over the world". It's amazing how "religious" some of these nuts can get over the choice of a piece of software. ......
.... Nevertheless, when I walk into the neighborhood Best Buy, Staples, Office Depot or anywhere else I can find applications, software development tools and devices that I can use RIGHT NOW - and they all work with Windows, not Linux. I seldom have to tweak anything much - just plug it in and it works, period. Failures and incompatibilities have become the exception, not the rule.
Agree with ya CodeBubba, there are just too many "variations" to linux where as there is only "one version of windows" so to speak. You can always find drivers for windows from the manufacturer, whereas drivers for linux can be patchy. Its a shame that the linux organizations can't agree on one format for linux. One for enterprise, home, mini-versions (USB, CD boots only), and pocket PC. Granted, people can always contribute to these projects but to have just one version of each.
Doing a search of linux distributions and you can find just about every tom, dick, and harry has a different flavor of linux. Who has the time to try all of them??? and figure out which is best?
Who has the time to try all of them??? and figure out which is best?
I do !!!
Just kidding. However, I have tried quite a few of the main distro's.
So far I've test drove:
Suse
Redhat/Fedora
Slackware
Mandrake
Knoppix
DSL (very small - 50 MB)
Vector Linux (Very fast on old equipment)
Yellow Dog
Gentoo
Debian (My fav.)
Ubuntu/Kubuntu (also my Fav)
BSD
PC-BSD
and I'm sure more I've forgotten...
Oh, and Crossover Office makes it all worthwhile!
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I've been using ubuntu dapper for a couple of months now and like it. The setup was very easy, it auto detected most of my hardware and my home network. I found it much easier than my previous Redhat 9, far less obscure command line setups. I even got blue tooth and my cell phone working in under 5 minutes. If you're going to try linux and don't want to spend forever configuring basic things, I'd recommend Ubuntu. Download the CD and you can boot from it, try it, see if it sets up your hardware or has any other issues and if you don't like it, just remove the CD and reboot, no changes made to your system.
I know I've used a floppy to boot a minimal linux kernel with an installation program working over the internet, but i don't know how(or if) on Ubuntu (Should be possible in Debian, at the very least).
@abf: If you've got a spare computer to use as a server for install: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/Netboot
Note - your lappy BIOS doesn't have to support PXE. Find "Etherboot"approx. in the middle of the page.
Note2 - at the end there is a link to different etherboot images for different network 'cards'.
I would choose Slackware for old hardware, but Debian is very nice.
Ubuntu is way easier (fewer choices ;-) but the "default" Ubuntu distro needs a tiny bit more horsepower to function satisfactory. Xubuntu is probably better for old hardware.
The problem with drivers for linux is not the multitude of distributions. It's just easier for h/w developers to create drivers for windows (most likely in more ways than I want to think of at the moment), and even though they just can release the software specs for the h/w to the linux community they don't.
The drivers have more to do with the kernel (which is the same or similar for the different distributions, hence the name "linux").
The first one to blame for hardware not working in linux is actually the hardware developers themselves(don't want/can't afford to write a driver? - Fine! release the specs), maybe Microsoft second(they are very, very, very, very good at "marketing strategies". For instance - Some companies get reduced cost (or free) advertising for making stuff only for Windows) and lastly the linux community.
Finally: Ubuntu is made for people who don't want to mess around alot with linux (yep. You read me). It's supposed to be user friendly and just work. The major(or only) problems are hardware drivers(write an angry mail to the hardware developer and if you're not fed up muck about for a while inside a shell), but you can boot a livecd (coincidentally the install cd is one) and try it out without installing. Everyone should at least try it out once (since it's very easy to do).
This is a _VERY_ old post. I have replaced all my old computers with brand new systems. I only run Linux as a development OS for C compiling, and other things that require Linux, mostly compiling though.
This is a _VERY_ old post. I have replaced all my old computers with brand new systems. I only run Linux as a development OS for C compiling, and other things that require Linux, mostly compiling though.
Chris
Yeah, I kind of got confused since we've been covering ubuntu and linux in general on a more advanced level only a year or so ago.
Too tired to read the dates of the posts, I guess.
Sorry if I sounded lecturing or anything.
Yeah, I kind of got confused since we've been covering ubuntu and linux in general on a more advanced level only a year or so ago.
Too tired to read the dates of the posts, I guess.
Sorry if I sounded lecturing or anything.
Lol, it's ok. I'm very tired too. I just got back from a full day of working (Young Eagles, google it) at my local small airport. Was all worth it though. In the end I got a ride in a classic plane, a short wing Piper....
im trying to install ubuntu to but when it tries to boot from cd it says:
the boot sections on your bootable cd-rom are:
0. defoult entry
*=> "plug and play" peripheral -- SCSI ID auto--assinged
bios installed succesfully
isolinux 3.53 denian-2007-12-11 isol;inuxP:
cannot boot from this cd. please try a BIOS undate.
and i have done a bios update. nothing works....
its curently running win98
aximbigfan, know anything? anyone?
what an old post to resurect!!! not a record though..
ok try to d/l another version of ubuntu or try to burn it again. try to run it from the "live cd" first. if it loads and runs then there is a link on the desktop to do a propper install. make sure it isnt the 64 bit version or the server version.
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