well... I'd say that driving a car is a privledge, not a right. The license plate is an identification that is visible to all. It is also a state tax and they have the right to enforce it.
If the police are using an automated method for running license plates, instead of manually running plates, I do not see the issue of illegal search. I'd see the benefit of quickly identifying stolen cars, missing persons, prior suspects, etc. Once again, if you aren't wrong it isn't obtrusive. This isn't greatly different than automated cameras to photograph speeders in order to mail you a fine and points assessment.
Illegal search would be going through parking lots looking in windows to find a beer bottle or knife handle or piece of paper that looked like a rolling paper.
If this bothers you, wait a few years when the police COULD use onstar or Cellphone to grab your location without your permission. or use the black box in new cars to determine if you were speeding/weaving prior to an accident.
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If this bothers you, wait a few years when the police COULD use onstar or Cellphone to grab your location without your permission. or use the black box in new cars to determine if you were speeding/weaving prior to an accident.
Not to mention, using your own Lo-jack against you and shut down your car, locking you inside. MWAAAA HAAA HAAAAAAAA!!!!
I don't think it is an illegal search because this is already being done randomly on the highways. When that cop pulls up behind you there is a good possibility he's running your plates. One of my family members is a cop and she would run different plates when she was sitting at stop lights.
Anyway, I'm sure some technophile will develop some sort of jammer or such that will make this tool unable to get a reading.
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Yeah, it's called a polarizing plexiglass cover.
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Keep in mind that any license plate cover is illegal in NY (and I guess some other states). The photo radar spray might help, but I doubt it since this technology works with the natural available light versus flash.
My uncle has worked in the police in several counties. Tips: 1: Nothing other than blantantly covering up the license plate stops the police reading it, they have good technology to cover this. Tip 2: Police are your friends, they are not out to be nasty, i even agree with speeding tickets (friend got hurt by a speeding car) they are there for your protection, as long as your honest and respectful there're really nice guys. Tip 3: In most places parking tickets are the least of the worrys, my uncle in second week of work in england had to arrest someone out who was smashing things up with a samarai sword, and then turned agressive ( in england police don't carry guns).
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My uncle has worked in the police in several counties. Tips: 1: Nothing other than blantantly covering up the license plate stops the police reading it, they have good technology to cover this. Tip 2: Police are your friends, they are not out to be nasty, i even agree with speeding tickets (friend got hurt by a speeding car) they are there for your protection, as long as your honest and respectful there're really nice guys. Tip 3: In most places parking tickets are the least of the worrys, my uncle in second week of work in england had to arrest someone out who was smashing things up with a samarai sword, and then turned agressive ( in england police don't carry guns).
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My comment about making the license unreadable wasn't in referrence to the cops doing the actual reading, but the machine being able to detect and read it. Believe me, there are plenty of ways to bypass a silly ol' machine. The catch is the cops still have to be able to read it or they'll know something is up.
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I have NOTHING to hide, but I do object to being illegally searched. Just because I am walking down a public street, I am not consenting to being searched. Just because I am parked, LEGALLY, on a public street does not mean that I am consenting to being searched.
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Not entirely true. You need to read the fine print on the information packet you received when you registered your vehicle. when you signed for the plates, you consented. It is the same as when, in most states, when you sign for your license; you are agreeing to submit to a B.A.C. test when requested by a law enforcement officer. Failure to do so results in automatic suspension of your driving PRIVLIDGES.
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The implication that this will be used to "find" stolen, unregistered or uninsured vehicles is bogus. I or my family have had our cars hit by uninsured drivers on multiple occasions. When this was brought to the attention of the authorities, and I went beyond the average traffic cop to report, nothing was ever done about the fact that these drivers were violating the law. My experience has taken place over many years and in many states. So it not an isolated ignorance.
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I agree... and disagree. Finding stolen cars would be a great use for such a system. my city (Toledo Ohio) has one such unit. the uninsured vehicles part is a little more complicated. it is not a CRIME to not have insurance. A police officer will not cite you with only that. in ohio at least. You will, however, be reported to the court. Assigned a court date and required to appear. Once you are in court the court will report the failure to insure to the state who, in turn, will suspend your PRIVLIDGES. because, again, you signed an agreement when you picked up your drivers license stating that you will have insurance for your motor vehicle and failure to do so puts you in violation and subjects your driving PRIVLIDGES to be revoked.
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Crash613, a bit different in NY. If you are late with your insurance payment you will get a notice to surrender your license plates back to the state. Failure to do so will result in a warrant. This is a great tool to remove irresponsible people from behind the wheel.
Crash613, a bit different in NY. If you are late with your insurance payment you will get a notice to surrender your license plates back to the state. Failure to do so will result in a warrant. This is a great tool to remove irresponsible people from behind the wheel.
As with most stuff, "..your results may vary."
We too have the mail notices. but it is not a criminal matter. If you fail to have insurance when you receive a letter you lose your license. if you continue to drive THEN it is a criminal matter. It sounds like NY, much like Ohio will require you to appear to in court when you receive this notice.... when you don't show up your FTA (failure to appear) is the reason for your warrant, not the fact that you didn't have insurance.
Just a technicality of a difference :)
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Stationary cameras, such as those envisioned for Baltimore and the Bay Bridge, could alert nearby officers if an offending vehicle - one bearing a license plate registered to a wanted criminal, suspected terrorist or car thief - goes past.
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Although proponents say the technology eventually will deny all but the most clever of criminals access to roads, privacy advocates warn that the plate hunters mark another step toward a society in which police can track a person's every move.
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The technology, which Tibbs demonstrated in the parking lot of Howard County police headquarters, was developed in Italy and used by the Italian postal service. Postcards would zip along a conveyer belt, the cameras would read them, and the computer would sort them.
"The engineers in Italy realized that if they could read Bulgarian postcards handwritten with pencil at high speeds, license plates would be a piece of cake," said Mark Windover, president of Remington-Elsag, a partnership between the U.S. gun manufacturer and the Italian postal-technology company, which sold a plate hunter to Howard County for $26,0000.
The plate hunters use infrared light to "read" as many as 900 license plates per minute zooming by at speeds of up to 120 miles per hour in the rain or dark, McKissick said.
Infrared light illuminates the plate, the camera snaps a picture and the computer converts it into digital characters - ABC 123, for example - using optical character recognition. Strapping two cameras to a roof allows the system to go through a mall parking lot, checking plates on both sides of the police car.
Each night, local police departments download FBI data to in-car laptops. When a scanned license plate matches one in the FBI database, the computer triggers an alarm, and the screen blinks red "alert" signs. Before officers can make an arrest, they must check the accuracy of the alert because the database lags a day behind, and the system does not distinguish among states.
"In one block in Washington, I recovered six sets of stolen tags and a stolen motorcycle using the reader," said state police Detective Sgt. George Jacobs, assistant commander of the Washington-area vehicle enforcement unit. "It's just amazing that there are areas out there like that. It's a great tool because manually, it would have taken me several hours to type in the tags."
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McKissick and other officers dismiss concerns that the cameras invade drivers' privacy. McKissick said the machine is "strictly a numbers game," enabling officers to do more of what they already do.
Jacobs said the system does not discriminate and that the computer does not list a tag owner's information unless it sounds an alert on the car. Without the computer, officers choose which license plates they check, lacking the time to manually enter every one they see.
"There can be no discrimination," Jacobs said, "because the machine picks and runs every tag it sees."
one day... every interstate on/off ramp, HVA, and major intersection.
Coming soon to a street near you.
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I don't object to the idea of spotting stolen vehicles, but it does seem like this technology could be used to track anyone. Do you really feel the government should have the ability to know where everyone is at all times?
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I don't object to the idea of spotting stolen vehicles, but it does seem like this technology could be used to track anyone. Do you really feel the government should have the ability to know where everyone is at all times?
If you have a modern cell phone they already know where you are! If you have EZ-Pass (toll road auto pay) they know where you have been and how long it took you to get there.
I feel that it may be the price we must pay to live safely in this complex and easily distorted society. If one has nothing to hide, why worry...if one does, then worry; worry a lot!
There is a difference between having nothing to hide and objecting to the government knowing your every move. Supposedly they need a warrant to use a cell phone to track you, and of course if you turn it off they will have no information.
I am not sure it is a price we should have to pay, and since the government gets a bit more big brother every day who knows what use they may make of the information eventually.
If you have a modern cell phone they already know where you are! If you have EZ-Pass (toll road auto pay) they know where you have been and how long it took you to get there.
I feel that it may be the price we must pay to live safely in this complex and easily distorted society. If one has nothing to hide, why worry...if one does, then worry; worry a lot!
I have nothing to hide and am all for finding stolen cars. But I worry more about use of the tactics/technology over the long term - will someone in power (an elected official with the right buddies) misuse the system. With the right friends in the right places, a person could track someone to harass them, influence them, or intimidate them. I don't mind if they watch me, as long as a separate third party is watching them to make sure there is no abuse of power. Pretty soon, though, there are checks and balances to the checks and balances and more watchers than there are watchees :rolling: !
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