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http://www.tampabaylive.com/stories/...4censure.shtml

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Feingold's introduction of the five-page censure resolution set off maneuvering among his fellow Democrats to prevent a vote that could alienate swing voters. Republicans savored the Democrats' discomfort. Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., pushed for an immediate floor vote; Democrats protested, saying they hadn't yet read the resolution. Several Democrats offered empathy for Feingold's frustration but no overt support for his resolution. Feingold is undeterred, saying that simply debating it will keep the Bush administration and congressional Republicans from playing down the matter this midterm election year. Several Democrats said that before any censure, they want the Senate Intelligence Committee to finish an investigation of the warrantless wiretapping program. In that program, the National Security Agency is allowed to eavesdrop on international calls and e-mails of U.S. residents when terrorism is suspected. Sen. Joseph Biden, D-Del., said Tuesday that Feingold's censure effort was "born out of intense frustration" with the administration's lack of candor on the eavesdropping program -- and not out of any effort to further his 2008 presidential ambitions. "We have no idea what this program is," said Biden, himself a potential 2008 presidential contender, on NBC's "Today" show. He said Feingold was expressing his "absolute frustration with the failure of this administration and this Congress to insist it come forward and tell us what it's doing." Asked at a news conference whether he would vote for the censure resolution, Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., declined Monday to endorse it and said he hadn't read it. Sen. Joe Lieberman, D-Conn., said he had not read it either and wasn't inclined simply to scold the president. "I'd prefer to see us solve the problem," Lieberman told reporters. Across the Capitol, reaction was similar. Feingold's censure resolution drew empathy but no outright support from House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif.

http://www.npr.org/news/specials/nsa.../legality.html

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20051220-5808.html

http://www.floppingaces.net/wp-print.php?p=1364

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Zen_Powered

Tnanks radimus for the array of very informative links! Great information!

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BTW... here is the post I made here regarding the arrests in Ohio that were mentioned in the floppingaces link

http://www.aximsite.com/boards/showthread.php?t=118113



So I suppose there are more questions than whether this is/isn't legal.

Is/was it actually necessary?
What were the impediments to just using FISA?
Why hasn't the Senate Intelligence committee talked about this, while leaving the uninformed to make up wild accusatations and rationalizations?

From looking at all the political grandstanding that occured during the renewing of the Patriot Act, the actual voting was VERY one sided. Which leads me to the opinion that it is something necessary to have, but the politicians want to use it as controversy against the administration. What if this is something similar.. ie, a necessary but unpopular tool that some are using for political grandstanding.

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@ zen powered.

you bring opinions(the 14 experts) and they don't hold up to facts. thats my position on this.


hey we see this differently, what can I say?

i'm all up for debating this if you want to continue, if not thats cool


best of luck to you :approve:

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