Ken, your quote is very one sided and there is no one that will say that is fact. It is ALL speculation, if you look hard enough you will see that. And to say that the size of the universe proves it's age is a joke.
I suppose we could play ‘my experts are smarter than your experts’ if you want but then we have to do the ‘that has all been refuted’ and the ‘all those refutes have been countered’ and ‘your experts are biased greedy dogs but mine are driven by a love of scientific truth. So on and so forth. The fact is that there is no way you will convince me with "facts" or I you.
Ken, your quote is very one sided and there is no one that will say that is fact. It is ALL speculation, if you look hard enough you will see that. And to say that the size of the universe proves it's age is a joke.
I suppose we could play ‘my experts are smarter than your experts’ if you want but then we have to do the ‘that has all been refuted’ and the ‘all those refutes have been countered’ and ‘your experts are biased greedy dogs but mine are driven by a love of scientific truth. So on and so forth. The fact is that there is no way you will convince me with "facts" or I you.
Tim, what does all that have to do with the topic of this thread, "Scientology v. South Park"?
Ken, your quote is very one sided and there is no one that will say that is fact. It is ALL speculation, if you look hard enough you will see that. And to say that the size of the universe proves it's age is a joke.
I suppose we could play ‘my experts are smarter than your experts’ if you want but then we have to do the ‘that has all been refuted’ and the ‘all those refutes have been countered’ and ‘your experts are biased greedy dogs but mine are driven by a love of scientific truth. So on and so forth. The fact is that there is no way you will convince me with "facts" or I you.
My experts have made their determinations from observing the way the world works and designing mathematical models from them called theories which have been used to develop technology such as the computer you are using, atomic and solar power, manned missions to the moon, air travel and so on. You think because they call it a theory it is unproven, but the weight of evidence (the computer you use works, man has walked on the moon) says that the theories are rock solid. Gravitation is just a theory, but I wouldn't suggest you step off a cliff since it is just a theory. And the fact that we don't know everything about something or that we don't have exact numbers does not mean that what we do know is incorrect, it just isn't exact and may never be. You can believe what you want, that is certainly your perogative.
If you want to believe that the bible is the revealed word of god and everything in it is actual fact that is your right. But I choose to live in a rational world which is also my right.
I will put everything down and walk away from Christianity the second you show me something evolving, or when you make something out of nothing.
Look no further than the mirror. Or perhaps the constantly adapting virus, or the irrefutable evidence supplied by the study of the Galapagos Islands. I expect this will all be conveniently explained by ‘intelligent design’ and the onus will be on the scientific world to disprove it. Ho hum...........
As for making something out of nothing; we're all made from stars, man. And no, I don't know where the stars came from. Something about a big bang.
Ken, your whole story is kind of screwed up by the fact that computers and going to the moon have nothing to do with what we were talking about. Many theists work in both these areas and they do not in any way point to there being no God. As for gravitation, Let me tell you a story,
There was this guy thats name just happened to be Sir Isaac Newton. One day he formed a LAW, not a theory about gravity. Sorry to blow your mind with facts that first gradedrs learn in elementary school.
Zahc, Show me something in myself that says that I am made of a star, I almost laughed myself to sleep with that one. And for your irrefutable evidence about the galapagos island it should be converting everyone to evolution, shouldn't it? Oh wait, it is commonly accepted that darwin may not have believed it at his death. Even famous atheist, and evolutionists like Anthony Fleu (Not sure how spelled of the top of my head) have turned to I.D. because it makes more sense.
Zahc, Show me something in myself that says that I am made of a star, I almost laughed myself to sleep with that one.
The theory goes something to the effect of:
In the Beginning there was darkness and void.
Something happened in the void, something moved, twitched, popped.
Then there was light.
In the space of a billionth of a second light, energy, and the fabric of the universe expanded (millions/billions) of light years. as this energy cooled much of it coolesced into simplest form of matter, subatomic particles and eventually into hydrogen.
Gravity and ripples began to collect masses of these particles together and began to form supermassive stars. The stars burn hydrogen into helium, and if big enough the Helium is used to create carbon, nitorgen, oxygen, etc.. and if the star is even larger, those elements are used to create even heavier elements. Eventually, the fusion in a star cannot keep up with the effects of gravity and the star will eventually nova and scatter its mass outward.
Over the course of billions of years, gravity will start to collect these elements again, and mix previously free hydrogen and such... and the whole cycle will start again. Eventually, the universe will burn all the hydrgen and helium, and all the stars will go out. Then the big question is, is there enough mass to draw back the 'universe' or will it just disperse into a cold, dark infinity.
So the point is, that the elements that create everything were forged in a star that went nova. billions of years ago.
Intelligent design will state that the physical/quantum laws that allowed such a process to occur were "created" and the universe operates under those rules.
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Ken, your whole story is kind of screwed up by the fact that computers and going to the moon have nothing to do with what we were talking about. Many theists work in both these areas and they do not in any way point to there being no God. As for gravitation, Let me tell you a story,
There was this guy thats name just happened to be Sir Isaac Newton. One day he formed a LAW, not a theory about gravity. Sorry to blow your mind with facts that first gradedrs learn in elementary school.
I actually never said that there is no God, if someone shows reasonable objective proof that there is one I will incorporate that in my world view.
My point was that people have used scientific theories to build things, theories are not just some vague idea out there.
As to Newton's law of gravitation, that was a theory which has since been replaced by Einstein's General Theory of Relativity. (Notice the "Theory" in the title)
I will no longer debate this with you since it is pointless.
I for one welcome our new Scientology OVERLORDS!!!
Hail Xenu!
Hail Xenu!
Hail Xenu!
Not if they make us all watch "Battlefield: Earth"
Actually, I bet that the South Park guys are DYING to get Scientology to sue them.
If they are sued, The "private" documents that Scientology likes not to promote, will probably fall under 'Discovery proceedings' and be exposed in court.
Lots of publicity
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They were harsh. Chef's voice was edited in from past episodes and pasted together making him sound like a child molester.
In actuality he was kidnapped and brainwashed by a group of "super Adventurers" into being a pedophile. These adventurers stated that there are invisible beings inhabiting the bodies of children around the world, and by molesting them, the adventurers would become immortal.
There were a bunch of little things that could be construed as "hidden digs" at Scientology if you were looking for them.
At the end of the show, the kids tried to rescue Chef, They almost got away, but Chef couldn't resist the brainwashing and volunteered to return. then he was struck by lightning, burnt, fell into a ravine, impaled on a branch, shot, attacked by a cougar and a bear, and then skinned... before crapping himself.
At the close of the show, the 'Adventurers' put chef's body into a Darth Vader outfit
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